Everyone looks at the problem from a different perspective. If Liu Ye spoke completely from Shandong's standpoint, then Zhao Yun would naturally not want to listen. However, Liu Ye's story was very objective and practical, which had to make Zhao Yun think.
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Because he is Zhao Yun.
If it were an ordinary military commander, even if Liu Ye could understand what he said, but after thinking for a while he couldn't understand it, he would naturally give up.
Zhao Yun likes to think, likes to learn, and is good at summarizing. When a problem is placed in front of him, Zhao Yun's choice is to try to think and find the answer first, instead of avoiding or shelving it directly.
Liu Ye looked at Zhao Yun's expression and smiled slightly.
The rhetoric he had prepared along the way has now been completely abandoned. What he is saying to Zhao Yun now were all improvised ideas before he came to see Zhao Yun.
Liu Ye knew what he was doing in Youzhou, but after going through all the hard work to get to Jixian, he encountered such a snow disaster. After seeing the Hussars gathering for disaster relief and restoring order, his mentality changed slightly.
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Shandong people say that the northern part of Guanzhong is full of barbarian habits and has a fishy smell. But now when the land of Youzhou is suffering, where are those elegant and famous people?
Do the people of Youzhou need the people of Shandong more now, with their graceful demeanor, or do they need the Hussars to survive this harsh winter even though the Hussars are not polite?
What is a big man?
Maybe different people have different answers in their minds.
However, for the children of the gentry, especially the royal family members, the mysterious veil on the emperor may not be of much use.
The same is true for Liu Ye.
He had met the emperor and knew what kind of person the emperor Liu Xie was.
If it were a time of peace and prosperity, then Emperor Liu Xie would have been a good emperor.
Because in times of peace, all order is basically stable. The less the emperor interferes, the less local problems in counties and counties. Except for the emperor’s order to recruit for disaster relief, other things can generally be done within the counties.
Processed.
But in the current turmoil in the world, the emperor's lack of ability is very fatal.
If the emperor cannot win over the hearts of various princes, he will inevitably be unable to control local chaos.
Moreover, it is not easy for Liu Ye to directly discuss these issues with Emperor Liu Xie!
One aspect is that if Liu Ye said that, if something went wrong and Liu Xie couldn't protect Liu Ye, wouldn't this mean that Liu Ye was looking for death?
Another aspect is that even if Liu Ye is not afraid of death and speaks out, but Liu Xie doesn't understand it, or understands it but doesn't act on it, doesn't it mean it has no effect?
Therefore, Liu Ye's attitude towards the emperor Liu Xie is actually similar to his performance in history. He just points to one sentence and stops at it. He doesn't say much, doesn't explain much, and doesn't force much.
The emperor asked him to come to Zhao Yun with the edict, and Liu Ye followed the order.
So it can be said that after arriving in Jixian, Liu Ye's mission is basically over, and what is left is just some finishing matters. As for whether Zhao Yun is willing to accept the edict, that is Zhao Yun's business. Liu Ye cannot control it, nor can he replace Zhao Yun.
Sign the edict.
The reason why Liu Ye did not return immediately was because he also wanted to take this opportunity to meet Zhao Yun and learn more about the situation of the Hussars more intuitively, so as to avoid missing out on celebrities after asking questions after returning.
But when he actually saw the Hussars treating these Youzhou people, his heart was touched.
Liu Ye is a clan member of the royal family, but is this clan clan of his...
As for aristocratic families, there is no mention of them.
So Liu Ye didn't just stand on a high place and sigh with emotion. He took off his brocade robe, picked up his pen and ink, and handled affairs with the junior officials in the Hussars...
Liu Ye felt that the Hussars were different from what he originally imagined.
In turn, it was Liu Ye's behavior that made Zhao Yun feel that Liu Ye was different from those Shandong celebrities.
Only then did Zhao Yun meet Liu Ye, and only now did Liu Ye "point" to Zhao Yun...
Liu Ye's words were not many, but they were all on the main points.
Youzhou belongs to the border area, and its status is actually similar to that of Bingzhou and Liangzhou.
The reason why it is better than Bingliang is just because the distance between Youzhou and Jizhou is relatively close. The people of Jizhou are afraid that once they completely lose Youzhou, they will lose the barrier to the north, so their attitude towards Youzhou is not the same as that of Bingliang.
He was treated so indifferently.
Jizhou people think that a little Youzhou is enough, so for Liaodong, the Lelang area is dispensable.
People in the Yuzhou area feel that it doesn't matter if Youzhou disappears. Anyway, if the sky falls, won't there still be Jizhou people to hold it up?
Due to the rise of the landlord class, the gentry in the entire Central Plains of Han Dynasty lost interest in the frontier land where farming was difficult and it was difficult to produce high-yielding crops, so they did not want to expand abroad at all.
On the contrary, because the frontiers were bitterly cold and life was difficult, during the feudal dynasty, once the forces on the frontiers expanded, whether internal or external, they would surely erode the Central Plains due to this unequal treatment.
Don’t worry about scarcity, but worry about inequality.
This is something that the ancestors of China understood, but the Gini index is still rising crazily in every feudal dynasty!
Liu Ye pointed out this problem.
The Hussars grew up on the borders of the Han Dynasty, in areas despised by the Central Plains, and their strategies were also biased towards those forgotten people who had been oppressed before, so it was like Zhao Yun treating these disaster-stricken people here in Youzhou
, support and response will come quickly.
But……
Jizhou was not affected by the disaster.
Those big and small landlords who had been watching the decline of the frontiers with their hands coldly for three to four hundred years, at least after Liu Xiu established his capital in Luoyang, as well as those who enjoyed the preferential treatment of the gentry and were entrenched in the bureaucracy and government agencies, would be willing to accept the hussar.
system?
Seeing Zhao Yun's silence, Liu Ye did not wait for Zhao Yun's answer, and continued: "Those who have surrendered to Hussar since he was established in Guanzhong are from poor families. Zheng Gong has been tossed around Beihai, and Shui Jing and Jing governor have been displaced, but they are not accepted."
This is the case in the Central Plains. It is not a bad thing, but it is just like the people in the disaster. They have enough food and clothing! But what about Jiyu? If they are deprived of food and clothing, they will hate it. If they want to have enough food and clothing, they will be lonely and resentful. With the general
Wisdom can distinguish itself.』
Although Liu Ye did not speak very clearly and did not refine an accurate expression, he undoubtedly pointed out the biggest contradiction between Guanzhong and Shandong at the moment, which is the different production systems and production relations!
Some people in later generations said that the gentry clans only existed during the Jin and Tang Dynasties, but in fact this was not the case. Everything has stages of derivative development, and one cannot be isolated from one section or one point in time to represent the whole. Yes, during the Jin and Tang Dynasties
, the noble family is indeed the strongest and most representative, but tracing its roots, it was born during the Han Dynasty, especially during the Eastern Han Dynasty...
During the Eastern Han Dynasty, land annexation resulted in the emergence of large and small landowners. At the same time, because books were rare, Confucian classics were basically spread within the family. Or it can be said to be a circle, which is a teacher-student relationship, or it is called a sect.
The large and small landlord class monopolizes the means of production and restricts the spread of knowledge, and governing the country requires these two aspects, so it is equivalent to monopolizing bureaucratic positions.
During the Han Dynasty, it was natural for the whole family to become officials, and for one family to occupy an area, and to receive benefits even if a newborn was born, even if they were of working age.
As these gentry, gentry, and landowners gradually grew in size, they naturally spoke for their class in the court and fought for more interests. By the time of Emperor Ling of the Han Dynasty, these people wanted money, people, officials, and culture.
If you have culture and you need force and force, what else do you need the court for?
Emperor Ling of the Han Dynasty wanted to control it, but he couldn't control it anymore.
Zhao Yun obviously couldn't solve such a problem, so Zhao Yun remained silent and frowned.
"Under the Hussar, there are people from Jingxiang and Yingchuan," Liu Ye said slowly, "when the Hussar is occupying Guanzhong, the people from Jingxiang and Yingchuan can work together to cover Guanzhong.
Jingxiang, Yingchuan, are all foreign enemies
Ye. However, if the Qiao rides into the Central Plains... who is outside and which is inside? When Jingxiang seeks help from Jingxiang and Yingchuan worships Yingchuan, and in the Central Plains of Han Dynasty and Shandong, the gates are at odds with each other.
What's the difference?"
Zhao Yun frowned and said, "If the people in Shandong are so ignorant, they just want to eliminate the bad and keep the good, so why not?"
Liu Ye said calmly: "People in Shandong, at this moment, there are many types of Liubo. If we talk about good and bad, it is not necessarily true. Liubo and Liuchi, can Baochai be divided into good and bad? The scholars of Yingchuan are like the prime minister.
He went down to consult the prime minister, returned to the hussar's place, and offered advice to the hussar. The plan can be made up or down, but it is not absurd to judge the good from the bad by doing so."
After any class is satisfied with food and clothing, it will inevitably seek more benefits and greater authority.
This is a necessity.
Because as long as there is exploitation and a system for extracting surplus value in human society, there will inevitably be this problem.
A noble family, a powerful family, grew up from the flesh and blood of the Han Dynasty, and tasted the sweet taste of monopolizing the political and economic fields, how could they give up so easily?
Liu Ye's meaning is very simple. Those noblemen who can cooperate with the Hussar are not because they completely support the Hussar system, but because their families are spreading their bets, just like chips on Liubo.
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There is also fierce competition among powerful families, such as those families that previously bet their money on the Yuan family...
If the pressure is successful, the pot will be filled with money; if the pressure is not successful, the whole family will be ruined.
This is where the interests of the nobles and the princes are consistent, so Liu Ye said that there is political harmony in the Hussars now, and the factions cooperate with each other. That is because it is when the profits are high, just like back then, wasn't Yuan Shao also a model for the world?
"The current decline of the Prime Minister is not because of the Prime Minister's inability, but because of what the Prime Minister can do." Liu Ye shook his head slightly, "If the Prime Minister can't do it and divides power among the counties, it will be praised by the world! But the Prime Minister is now evil in Shandong.
, that is, they want to gather the strength of Shandong to resist Guanzhong! What Shandong hates is not Guanzhong, but the word "collection"! I dare to ask the general, if the Hussar can capture the Central Plains, is it possible or impossible? Is it evil or not?
evil?"
The noble families hope to assist a "wise king" and maximize their value. However, after assisting a wise king, conflicts of interest will inevitably arise. Local powerful people hope to have a simple disarmament like Emperor Wen of Han and Emperor Guangwu.
The interests of the landlord class can be greatly guaranteed by a monarch who maintains political integrity, recuperates, and pays attention to farming.
To put it simply, these local nobles hope to be a "bright king", but at the same time they also want to be a "weak king"!
Because the economic foundation of the clan is the manor economy created by annexing large amounts of land. The objects of their annexation are the yeoman farmers, and the yeoman farmers are the fundamental economic basis of the central royal family. The central government’s taxes and military service require the yeoman farmers.
This makes the manorial economy of the wealthy families and the central government's economy completely conflict with each other.
So in history, when Cao Wei began to crack down on the powerful and strengthen the centralization of power, the powerful families began to be dissatisfied. Later, the Sima family jumped out. Each of these powerful nobles or powerful people either helped Sima cover up, or simply supported it secretly. I really thought that Sima would cheer up.
Phew, there are so many dead soldiers? Raising dead soldiers also requires money, time, and place. Guess why Mr. Cao is so vigilant and checks Sima's house several times, why can't he find the place where these dead soldiers are hiding?
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In the Hussars, they now belong to the small powerful class, the small landlord class, representatives of the poor, and the children of the side branches. Unlike the aristocratic families, these people are a combination of big bureaucrats and big families. Their demands for power are not high for the time being.
It's a duty
In fact, because the elites who were born as small landowners have no way out and their upward path is blocked, they are eager for opportunities, hoping that a wise king can promote them, hoping to break through the monopoly of the officialdom by the big gentry and powerful people, and get the opportunity to achieve success.
"The people of Youzhou have no food and clothing today and are looking for food and clothing. Tomorrow they will have food and clothing and look for family property," Liu Ye said, "If Youzhou is like this, why not be worse in the world? What Hushi can do is enough for Guanzhong and Youzhou."
, but can it satisfy the world?"
Liu Ye talks about "people", but in fact all these "people" do not refer to civilians.
Although history is actually created by the people, neither Liu Ye nor Zhao Yun have this awareness at the moment.
Zhao Yun, like a small group of other elites, initially pushed them to join the melee in the late Han Dynasty. It was not some lofty ideals, but mostly the desire to be able to "land to the tiller", so that they could work with peace of mind and live in peace.
Days are enough...
But now, has Zhao Yun thought about taking a step further?
some.
What about other people?
"Why did Emperor Xiaoling appoint the eight captains of Xiyuan?" Liu Ye said, "It was just that the superior wanted to control the army and control the place. Then why did Xiyuan be abandoned? Is it because he was entrusted by someone other than a human being?"
Therefore it is only one-twelve-tenths
That’s it! The reason why the Western Garden is exhausted is because of the soldiers! If the Western Garden is to be established, where do the soldiers come from? It’s the local people. Does the local government want to build the Western Garden? If the filial piety cannot be established, the prime minister cannot, and the hussar can build it.
What can you do if you establish it?”
Zhao Yun frowned.
On the surface, Liu Ye was just talking about Emperor Ling of the Han Dynasty, but Zhao Yun knew what Liu Ye really wanted to say...
The foundation of the central royal family in all dynasties lies in the control of military power. By the end of the Eastern Han Dynasty, the Han Dynasty did not want to regain military power, but in fact the family quickly rebounded and the plan failed. This is something everyone knows, but what Liu Ye said
The second half of what he said was something Zhao Yun didn't expect.
The reason why Emperor Ling of the Han Dynasty failed was not only because of his own abilities, nor because he asked a eunuch to manage the army, but the more important failure factor was that if Emperor Ling of the Han Dynasty wanted to rebuild an army, he needed soldiers who could serve.
and the food and grass supplies to support this army. To put it simply,
That is to say, there must be enough peasants to pay taxes and serve. However, at this time, the peasants in the countryside were divided into chaos due to the merger of the clans. The state and county officials responsible for taxation and the grassroots officials in the army were also the descendants of the clans, and they were more loyal to the clans than the court.
How could it be possible to support Emperor Ling of the Han Dynasty in successfully recruiting soldiers?
Therefore, the Eighth School Lieutenant of Xiyuan is fundamentally broken!
What about Cao Cao and Fei Qian?
Where did the roots of Cao Cao and Fei Qian, that is, the source of their troops come from?
Obviously, Cao Cao's foundation is the 300,000 Qingzhou Yellow Turbans.
Although on the surface it seems that Cao Cao controlled these Qingzhou soldiers, from another perspective, did these Qingzhou Yellow Turbans also realize their initial desire to obtain the means of production and live in an orderly manner? Is it true that these Qingzhou soldiers were under control?
Under Cao Cao, the chain of land control originally held by local wealthy families was broken?
The situation with the hussar is similar.
The first wave of Feiqian's demographic dividend was fed by the refugees from Heluo, the Baibo Army, and then the Black Mountain bandits. These people laid the foundation of Feiqian's military strength. Later, the Xiliang Army and Bingzhou veterans were admitted, but
It is the icing on the cake based on these foundations.
Therefore, Liu Ye believes that Fei Qian's and Cao Cao's soldier structures are actually similar.
The same problems that Cao Cao is encountering in Shandong are the same problems that Fei Qian will encounter when he comes. When the time comes, will Fei Qian accept the troops in Shandong or not?
If you accept it, there will definitely be a problem.
If you don't collect it, problems will also occur.
After Liu Ye said this, he stopped and said no more.
Just like Liu Ye's previous habit, he just "pointed out" the problem...
This is actually a habit of "Shandong celebrities". They will tell the problem, and it is often free at this time. But if they want to solve the problem, either they can't solve it, or they need to pay an additional price. After all, in
In Shandong, knowledge is a very expensive thing.
Zhao Yun frowned and thought, then suddenly smiled after a moment, shook his head and said: "What you said, sir, is indeed to the point... However, you overlooked one thing..."
Liu Ye was stunned for a moment and couldn't help but ask: "Where is the omission?"
Zhao Yun stretched out his hand, first pressed it from top to bottom, and then raised it from bottom to top, "In Shandong, troops and people are mostly selected from top to bottom, but in Guanzhong, it is from bottom to top.
Choosing armies and officials! This is a big difference!"
This time it was Liu Ye who was stunned.
He originally came to see Zhao Yun. Although he did not bring an edict, he actually wanted to use words to sway Zhao Yun's mind, so what he said was true and false, thinking that even if Zhao Yun could find the flaw, it would be something later.
Liu Ye can take this opportunity to learn more information and find more loopholes, which can become his bargaining chip, whether he continues to bet in Shandong or moves to Hussar.
There is a higher position…
But Liu Ye never expected that such a general who looked ordinary in appearance, had thick hands and feet, and did not look like a scribe at all, could think so quickly and have such strong insight!