Among the hotly searched topics, more than one person must have pointed out that Phoenix Fund is bragging.
Almost anyone who knows a thing or two about chips knows how difficult it is to establish a chip industry chain!
The chips discussed now are basically the default mobile phone CPU processing chips. Server-side chips are rarely discussed because mobile phones are now an electronic device that everyone is closely related to.
First of all, we must understand the gap in China's semiconductor industry. We have made progress, but it is not just CPU chips that are poor, but also ADC chips, baseband chips, etc. We have gaps even in the most basic capacitors and resistors in electronic components.
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People who are in the electronic component business in coastal areas probably know that high-end electronic components must not be made in China. Their service life is not up to standard. In other words, they are inferior products. They must use foreign goods.
Secondly, what is the most despairing thing in the field of chip manufacturing? It is that we lack the tools to design chips (EDA) and the machines to manufacture chips (such as photolithography machines, etc.). As long as engineers involved in the chip industry will probably notice,
Some key and necessary tools are not available in China.
However, why do so many people point out Phoenix Fund’s mistakes and brag, but only Ren Zhi’s comments are criticized?
This question is a bit subtle. Why is it that no one comments on your post on Moments? But some people simply post a picture and it is retweeted and liked everywhere? It’s worth pondering!
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After Hua Shan finished handling the company's affairs, she cooked the omelette, poured two glasses of milk, took the tray, and walked barefoot to the beach.
She is 1.76 meters tall and wears a close-fitting champagne-colored off-the-shoulder dress. She has fairer skin and a slender figure. She has a delicate and bright face, which is very outstanding.
"What news are you reading? Are you smiling so happily?" Hua Shan sat next to Ren Zhi, handed him the milk, and said, "I have consumed a lot these days, so I'll give you a drink."
Ren Zhi has a relatively quiet temperament, but he can't help but retort: "No matter how much you consume, you can satisfy your appetite."
He had already had sex with Hua Shan, a great beauty, when they were on vacation in Palm Beach, USA. He is a person who pursues perfection, but Hua Shan is not a newbie. He is very depressed about this.
Hua Shan said dissatisfied: "I have been studying in the United States since high school. I am 23 years old. How could I not have met a good man? Why do you act like a little boy who has not grown up? I am not your girlfriend. You have no idea.
You have no right to interfere in my private affairs."
She is deeply influenced by neoliberal trends.
"Then who are we now?"
"I think you are very good. Moreover, we have been getting along very happily during this period. You want it, and I want it, so we can be together. You want me to be your girlfriend? I don't necessarily agree. I have to investigate.
you."
He and Hua Shan had a bit of an unpleasant quarrel in Palm Beach. But they finally made up, and he took Hua Shan to continue their vacation in Brazil. They slept together every day and did everything they should do.
Hua Shan covered her mouth and smiled. She leaned over and looked at Ren Zhi, who was half lying on the beach chair, and whispered: "Don't brag."
Ren Zhi saw her balls, and immediately became "bloody". He held this independent, beautiful girl in his arms and kissed her.
Ten minutes later, Ren Zhi and Hua Shan lay happily in the spacious beach chairs. They hugged each other like glue and felt that their two hearts were stuck together. The taste of love was very sweet. Then they talked about the topic just now.
Ren Zhi said proudly: "I can't stand the way Phoenix Fund is bragging. I posted a comment on Weibo to scold them and won a round of applause. Hehe."
"Let me see."
Ren Zhi turned on his phone and looked at it with Hua Shan, "Oh, I'm here."
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In the presidential suite of the Atlantis Hotel, Jing Gao was sitting on the sofa in the living room. He felt very unhappy when he saw the very popular and legitimate comment "Let me go 1911".
First of all, the Phoenix Fund's "draft" to Handong Provincial Station must be boasted in it. This is a common practice. As a result, people are now picking it out one by one, rubbing it on the ground, and making faults.
He was very unhappy. He knew that he was emotional when writing online comments and scolded people without any scruples. But this was the first time he had encountered this kind of thing. After all, he had never written an online article, he just watched the authors of online articles suffer.
scold.
Damn it, I don’t brag about goals or feelings in the press release. Do I have to talk about the details bit by bit? Then why should I go to the provincial station? Do you see it? I’ll open a post in a well-known community to talk to you.
Isn’t it good?
Secondly, he really doesn't like this "reason-within-the-object" tone. This is purely a methodological problem.
According to the materialist methodology, things need to be viewed dialectically. There is a good side and a bad side. But in the end, a general conclusion must be drawn, how much good and bad each accounts for! These so-called "reasonable guests" seem to be
Being rational, neutral, and objective actually magnifies the bad side and then draws a conclusion.
The most typical one is the "China collapse theory."
There are also some "reasonable ones" who are not very good at it. Let me just say: Don't just because so-and-so is a professor, what he says is right.
What is the subtext of this sentence? You have to listen to my analysis! So, your analysis is better than other professors? Not necessarily? It is just taking advantage of the rebellious psychology of online readers towards "professors" and "authority". But
Some people really like this.
Whether a thing is analyzed well or not should not be judged based on one’s personal identity, right? It depends on the specific analysis logic and deconstruction!
As a result, your methodology and logical structure cannot even be touched by Professor Shen. You even wrote on Bihu without shame: "I am very happy to have dozens of likes. There are always some people who think independently.
, not just following others’ opinions.”
You call nonsense "independent thinking"?
Jing Gao is now very disgusted with this "Let Me Go 1911". We must admit the gap between China's chip industry and the beautiful country. But what is your final conclusion? It just can't be done! We have to ask the beautiful country to provide equipment
Sell to us.
You are fucking calcium deficient!
I like kneeling so much.
Jing Gao replied directly on his mobile phone: "Why can't we build a lithography machine? You ate the lithography machine of Modu Microelectronics."
Ren Woxing 1911: "I'm talking about high-end lithography machines. The most advanced lithography machine of Modu Microelectronics is 90nm, and Asmail's lithography machine has now reached 7nm and 5nm."
Eat grapes without spitting out grape skins 233: "How many years has Asmail been making lithography machines? How many years has China been making lithography machines? How can you conclude that we will not be able to make high-end lithography machines in five or ten years? Yes.
Doesn't the gap allow us to catch up?"
This is Jing Gao's account. He didn't certify a "Phoenix Fund Chairman" or anything like that on his meager account.
Ren Woxing 1911: "Haha, this is funny. Do you know how many parts a lithography machine has? Fifty thousand! You can solve the problem yourself! How long will it take? Asmail's technology will stop at the same place and not progress.
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Now is the era of globalization, with division of labor in the global industrial chain. Every country and every company has its own unique skills to make profits.
The modern chip industry has a mature industry chain that is monopolized by a few companies. As a newbie to Sanwu, Phoenix Fund, how much time does it plan to spend catching up with the system that others have established through marketization in 20 to 30 years?"
Eat grapes without spitting out grape skins 233: "Phoenix Fund has said it, don't be afraid of losing money. Go for it with all your strength."
Ren Woxing 1911: "Brother, are you here to make a joke? This is a technical field, and the laws of physics must be understood, which cannot be solved by just talking here. Is this a loss? Others have a first-mover advantage.
, just can’t catch up.
Let me give you an example. Do you know what the talent gap is in our country in integrated circuits? The initial estimate is 200,000 people.
The chip industry chain goes through at least more than 40 links from tool and IP selection to different module design, manufacturing, packaging and testing. This involves materials, physics, chemistry, machinery, optics, computers, radios, software, etc.
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In 2009, our country only approved a total of 20 universities such as Beijing University of Technology as integrated circuit talent training base construction units. So far, integrated circuits are still under the subject of electronic science and technology. It is not a first-level discipline.
Calculate for yourself how many years of training it will take for us to fill this gap. Think about it for yourself, to what extent will human technology have improved in ten or twenty years?
To sum up, do you think we can still catch up? Phoenix Fund is obviously bragging. Why are you echoing it?"
Jing Gao felt angry and entered with flying fingers. Eat grapes without spitting out grape skins 233: "I admit the gap, but I never think we should give up catching up. Moreover, there is an obvious loophole in your argument, Asmail.
Technology will continue to advance.
It has already reached 5nm. How far can its cutting-edge technology progress? 1nm? According to the information I read, Moore's Law has expired in this field. This is originally a law summarized by humans, not physics.
Such objective laws.
Moreover, according to your argument, the country with the first-mover advantage will always remain in the lead? Not necessarily! History clearly tells us that during the second industrial revolution, Germany's industrial output caught up with the United Kingdom.
The most typical example is who planted the mushroom eggs first. Which company has the best technology for clearing bombs and maintaining combat readiness? It seems to be the Rabbit family.
Therefore, what you said does not exist. The country that moves first will always have an advantage. You judge that the prospect is pessimistic. I think it is bright.
Because, after all, technical problems still have to be solved by people. In the final analysis, this is still a human problem. And the ingenuity of the Chinese people will not be lost to anyone else! We have proven it in history, and we will continue to prove it!"
Ren Woxing 1911: "Speechless. I discuss technical issues with you, and you discuss human issues with me. What? If you can't explain it, just bring my IQ to the same level as yours, and then use your rich experience to defeat me?"
Do you think the chip industry can just build a photolithography machine and be done with it? Let me tell you, there are many places that are lagging behind..."
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As soon as Jing Gao saw the reply from "Let Me Go 1911", he felt that there was no need to go on. This was because this person had an obvious flaw: technical problems were technical problems.
Why don't you talk nonsense?
Back then, Japan's semiconductor technology defeated the beautiful country. How did the beautiful country finally kill its semiconductor company? Was it defeated by technology? Is it so naive?
When it comes to technical issues related to national security, strategy, and interests, this is never a purely technical issue. Of course, in terms of photolithography machine technology, it does not mean that flower growers want to develop Asmail's technology.
His point of view is very clear. The top lithography machine technology is stagnating, and now is a good time to catch up. As for how difficult it can be to emphasize the various difficulties in manufacturing chips? It is harder than two bombs and one satellite.
?More difficult than China completing industrialization?More difficult than building an aircraft carrier?
Who are you scaring?
Facing the sea, in the dead of winter, Jing Gao remembered the Chairman's teachings: Let them say, we can't do this, and we can't do that! The Chinese people's indomitable efforts will surely achieve their goals steadily!
