Batman shook his head and said: "What he wanted was just what he thought he wanted. He deceived himself in the process of chasing."
"You confuse me a little bit," Schiller said: "Isn't it what he thinks he wants that is what he wants?"
"Do you like eating apples?"
"To be honest, I don't really like it."
Batman didn't seem to expect his answer to be so straightforward, but he still said: "You think you like eating apples, and you really like eating apples are different. Before you eat the apple, you sincerely
You think you like to eat, do you really like to eat?"
"That's what the Joker is like. Before he really made me collapse, he really felt that his motivation for living was to make me collapse, but in fact he didn't."
"How do you know he isn't?"
Batman looked at him strangely again, and then said: "Should a psychiatrist think that it is healthy for a person to live completely for another person?"
"I'm not a psychiatrist."
Batman showed a look of understanding, and Schiller realized that Batman was trying to trick him again!
How did the topic come to this?
But fortunately, Batman did not stop talking. He went on to say: "Darkseid's desire to conquer the universe seems evil because we are on the conquered side, and our survival instinct requires us to rise up and resist, but he
It’s so normal for a being in that position to have such ideals, it’s so healthy.”
Schiller opened his mouth. He felt that what Batman said actually made sense, but was he a bit too considerate?
"What I want to say is that it is too normal for conflicts of position to occur because of interests. Greed wants to make money, and I want to save people. If we cannot do both, we will inevitably become opponents."
"But for the Joker, there is no conflict of interest between us. It is abnormal for him to be my opponent. No one can understand it if he puts himself in his perspective, but he must do it."
"So you think he doesn't really want to go against you?"
"He is sincere. No one is more sincere than him."
Schiller was a little confused by him. Didn't Batman just say that what the Joker really wanted was not to fight him, but now he said that the Joker was sincere.
"I mean, his sincerity is pathological, just like you crazily want to eat apples, not because you really love apples, but because you have never eaten apples. This is an obsession, not a hobby."
Schiller suddenly understood.
He understood what Batman meant. Batman decided that Schiller was not dangerous because what Schiller wanted was his hobby. Even if it was manipulating others, he had experienced it and found it really interesting, so he
want to.
He judged the Joker to be dangerous because what the Joker wanted was just an obsession. He had never truly defeated Batman, which led him to want to defeat Batman, but in fact he had never experienced the true defeat of Batman.
Taste, he wants it because he has never had it.
The clown feels empty, so he picks a target, but he always can't get it, so he wants it more, and then he thinks he really wants it, but in fact he may not.
It was also the first time that Schiller knew that Batman thought of the Joker this way. It was completely different from the arguments Schiller had come across in the past to judge the relationship between Batman and the Joker from a God’s perspective, and was very subjective.
"Why don't you think he just happens to be interested in you?"
"He just has no other choice." Batman said: "Of all the things that may arouse his evil interest, the only one he can see, touch, and have the slightest possibility of shaking is me.
"
Schiller suddenly heard a trace of sadness in these words. They always say that the Joker is playing games with Batman, but isn't Batman playing games with the Joker?
Among the things that make the Joker crazy, Batman is indeed the one he can easily touch. What is really sad is that this is because Batman lowers his identity and goes to the streets to fight crime, otherwise he would not even have this one.
.
"So you still have a savior complex." Schiller said hesitantly: "You think the clown should let go of his obsession and find what he is really interested in, instead of clinging to you."
"I hope so, but in fact it is unlikely." Batman said: "When things have developed to this point, he will not give up until he achieves his goal. As long as he does not really defeat me, he will continue to do so without end.
I will continue to struggle, but I will not let him defeat me."
"Very good, a perfect knot." Schiller said, "Why are you talking about this all of a sudden?"
"I'm talking about the difference between you and real danger." Batman said: "To be more specific, the difference between you and those who I need to treat as dangerous criminals."
"So you don't think of me as a dangerous criminal?" Schiller was a little flattered. He said, "Are you sure this isn't because your vigilance has dropped?"
Batman shook his head and said: "I can clearly distinguish the difference between you, although I don't know yet what causes this difference."
"What's the difference?"
"You have a choice." Batman said: "You choose a certain path after you are satisfied and think it feels good, instead of clinging to a life-saving straw when you are empty and not letting go."
"If you ask me to use an analogy, you are a well-fed lion instead of a hungry hyena, which means you are destined to be less dangerous."
Schiller did not speak, but stared at him for a while and then said: "Don't you think greed is always hungry? He wants almost everything, and he is always motivated to hunt. Isn't this dangerous?
"
"I can see that he has never experienced true emptiness and hunger." Batman said.
"How can this be seen?" Schiller asked curiously.
"I don't mean to be discriminatory, but people who have truly experienced hunger will have a fear of lack engraved in their bones, and they will show more of a desire to keep the food in their hands."
"you mean……"
"This kind of people rarely use small things to make great things, because they can't even part with small things. This is the case with many criminals in Arkham. They choose to commit crimes because for them, crime is almost costless. It is better to destroy than to destroy.
Construction is easy, but if I want to fight crime, I have to invest a lot of money and energy. They are getting nothing."
"They know that committing low-level crimes will not cause enough harm. If they want to completely destroy the city, entering the upper levels is a better way. I believe greed will do that."
"I kind of understand." Schiller nodded and said, "There are prerequisites for getting into the upper class. Putting aside external things, you must also learn yourself and spend a lot of time to truly integrate, so that the fake can be confused with the real."
"That's right, but not everyone has the confidence to study off the job. Confidence needs resources to support it. That's why I say that greed should not have experienced real lack. He wants everything, which just proves that he has the ability to try everything.
Courage, what kind of people do you think this kind of courage often appears in?"
"Of course there are more rich people." Schiller sighed, because besides greed, he also thought of Bruce.
"Bruce is now known as the King of Ideas in Gotham. His out-of-the-box ideas one after another and the courage to put these ideas into practice are definitely not the kind of environment that can be nurtured in an environment where the city is in danger every day and the world is about to be destroyed at any time.
"
"The more lacking it is, the more vulnerable it is, and the smaller the error tolerance rate will naturally be. The survival instinct will make people take every step and act cautiously. This is a natural law and it is really difficult to avoid."
"What about arrogance?" Schiller couldn't help but ask.
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"Doctorate is another realm." Batman leaned back in his chair and said, "What kind of person do you think would study theology?"
"When you're full and stuffed... okay."
"These views are very novel." Schiller commented very pertinently: "I never knew you would look at criminals like this, as if..."
"Like what?"
"It's as if it's not difficult for you to deal with them. Of course, I'm not saying it's difficult for you to deal with them, but you don't seem to regard them as your opponents psychologically."
"To a certain extent, yes, I would regard the person who would do the same thing as him if the two of us swapped places, as an opponent, because we just have different positions and have conflicts of interest. One day the conflict is gone and we
We can also be friends."
"What about the others? What about those people who you can't understand even if you put yourself in their shoes, let alone act like them?"
"Like you said, savior complex."
"You would actually admit it?!" Schiller said with some surprise: "I thought you would find this view very arrogant, thinking of yourself as a shepherd or something."
"I will think that people who are completely interchangeable with me but cannot be me need to be saved by me."
"Jesus should come down from the cross and you go up." Schiller sighed sincerely.
"That includes Jesus," Batman said.
Schiller sighed, "I can only say, no wonder you and Arrogance are friends."
Then he said with some confusion: "Why is the discussion here again? What does this mean?"
"I was just talking about why I helped Greedy." Batman's tone was still very calm. He said: "If you make a list of the dangers of everyone in this game, Greedy should be at the bottom, because he is actually not at all.
He’s not hungry, eating is just his hobby.”
"What about me?"
"All the Schillers are not too forward." Batman said: "I said, you are not hungry, it is purely out of interest."
"Who then?"
"Although I don't want to admit it, Bruce's ranking is not high either." Batman's tone was slightly lower, and he said: "The difference between him and you is that he is better at throwing the bowl after eating."
"I just thought you were praising him, so the number one person is the clown?"
"Of course."
"Who is better, the evil Batman or the good Joker?"
"...The two of them are on par, but if I had to rank him higher or lower, I would say he is the evil Batman." Batman thought about it and said, "His sense of inadequacy is heavier than that of the Joker."
"Because he pays too much attention to Bruce? I feel like you are biased."
Batman shook his head and said: "I don't want to brag that I am completely objective, but Night Owl lost more than the Pale Knight, and what he gained by losing was much less."
"Yeah, if you knew how happy the Pale Knight lived in his universe, maybe you would be envious."
"It is not easy to make up for the clown's sense of lack. Sometimes I wonder if only God can do it. What the clown lacks is not some material things. It is not the poor growing environment that shaped this madman. What he lacks is not even love.
"
Schiller also fell into thinking along this line of thinking. At this moment, he unexpectedly heard Batman ask.
"And what makes me even more confused is that you, Schiller, judging from your form of existence, you shouldn't be so full...who is feeding you?"