Seeing this scene, Xu Yichuan sighed again and said, "Xiao Tan is an honest person."
Chen Yu agreed and said, "Yes, it's very real."
Xu Yichuan suddenly said again: "Do you think the Public Security Department is good?"
Chen Yu didn't know what he meant by asking him this. Was he asking about the Public Security Bureau itself, or did he have another deeper meaning?
Xu Yichuan then said as if talking to himself: "The Zhu family shouldn't have come here so hastily. They have done a lot of practical things. It's a pity, it's a pity..."
This was the first time that Chen Yu heard the evaluation of Zhu Zhengwen from the provincial party committee secretary. Although it was expected, he also felt relieved because Zhu Zhengwen still received recognition from the top leaders in his work.
Seeing Chen Yu's thoughtful look, Xu Yichuan asked curiously: "Do you know who I'm talking about?"
Chen Yu said: "I know, Director of the Public Security Department Zhu Zhengwen."
Xu Yichuan continued: "Then do you understand the current situation?"
Chen Yu said: "A little bit."
Xu Yichuan seemed to be very interested and said: "Tell me and listen."
Chen Yu said: "Secretary Xu, then I will make a fool of myself. Please don't be offended if I say something wrong. Now the Propaganda Minister and Governor Yu have formed an alliance to suppress the Director of Public Security Department Zhu Zhengwen."
"Why?" Xu Yichuan did not comment, but asked again.
In fact, from his perspective, it can be said that these official struggles are commonplace, and he has a clear understanding of the confrontation between the two major forces this time, but he still wants to hear what the situation is like from the eyes of another young man.
Chen Yu said calmly: "From a small perspective, it seems to be mixed with some personal grievances, emotions, and interests, but from a large perspective, this is an inevitable result. It's like raising a few fish in a pond.
The fish already has its own territory, and suddenly a fish jumps in from the outside. The other fish will definitely be worried, so there will inevitably be competition and cooperation."
Xu Yichuan still didn't comment, but asked with interest: "Then you also agree with this situation?"
Chen Yu said: "No, although I understand it, I don't agree with it. Although politicians cannot be as impartial and selfless as saints, they cannot let their selfish desires override their public conscience. It is normal to have differences. But if you treat public utensils as private things that can be squandered at will, then it is
This is an extremely abnormal behavior. At least it will endanger one party, and at worst it will harm the country and the people!"
These few words were spoken categorically, which was somewhat different from his previous calm and gentle image.
Xu Yichuan nodded fiercely and said: "Well said! Xiao Chen, although you are not really entering the political arena now, you can have such insight and broadmindedness, which is better than many people. What a pity, what a pity!"
He said two regrets in succession. He didn't know whether it was a pity that Chen Yu did not enter the official career and wasted his qualifications, or it was a pity that Wu Yifu and the others were having such a power struggle.
Xu Yichuan added: "It would be great if they could see things as clearly as you do."
Chen Yu quickly gave in and said in a low voice: "Secretary Xu, I think it is still like what I said just now. Some people may not be like this at the beginning, but what they experience in this career process has changed their minds.
It gradually changed.”
Xu Yichuan seemed to have remembered something. He said: "Yes, many aspects are not perfect now. There are too many loopholes in the system and the law. The phenomenon of man-made and rule by man is still the mainstream. Without supervision of power, there will inevitably be corruption."
Chen Yudao: "Absolute power leads to absolute corruption."
Xu Yichuan said: "Many people understand this. The central government has been legislating and improving supervision for so many years. However, the law is never perfect. There are always new loopholes being discovered and exploited, and new problems arise."
Chen Yu said: "Yes, there is no perfect law in the world. This is a conclusion that Western scholars have reached many years ago."
Xu Yichuan asked: "What do you think the reason is?"
Chen Yu pondered for a moment and said: "People's hearts are greedy. Laws and systems are like a man-made net that can never cover everything, so greed will slip away from every corner again and again, and then turn into
Evil deeds.”
Xu Yichuan said: "Is there any way?"
Chen Yu said: "As far as I know, there are at least two ways. One is to try to improve this network as much as possible. Although there are always loopholes, the loopholes will become less and less, until finally the greed can be controlled.
Within the acceptable range. Just like many Western systems, they were designed from the belief that human nature is inherently evil, and every link is designed to curb the evil in people's hearts. - Their country's laws have developed to the present, although they cannot be said to be perfect, but
It is already close to perfect, and the remaining imperfections will be measured and sanctioned by some special supervision and legal departments.”
Xu Yichuan's eyes sparkled and he said, "What about the second method?"
Chen Yudao: "The second one is of course to reduce people's greed. This is a cliché. Our country is actually the best in this regard in the world."
Seeing Xu Yichuan's surprised look, Chen Yu added: "——It used to be the best. Ancient times emphasized benevolent governance, the Tao of Confucius and Mencius, governance by inaction... etc. In the final analysis, they all rely on the strong self-discipline of people's hearts.
Noble moral cultivation is needed to engage in politics and govern the country. At that time, our laws were not perfect. A local governor held the power of life and death. He often relied on his own discretion, but he was still very effective in many cases and left many good stories. Now our country
I still believe in this and hope to improve myself as a politician in terms of self-discipline and morality to reduce corruption and achieve peace."
Xu Yichuan said: "You don't seem to agree with this?"
Chen Yu said: "Yes, although I understand, I think it may just be a good wish."
Xu Yichuan asked: "Why?"
Chen Yudao: "It's like planting flowers. If you don't water the roots, but only water the flowers, it's unlikely that the flowers will bloom."
Xu Yichuan asked in a solemn tone: "What do you mean?"
Chen Yudao: "Improving self-discipline and morality is undoubtedly a fundamental solution, but it must be improved overall and fundamentally. It cannot be achieved by simply distributing basic anti-corruption books to leading cadres, watching a few warning movies, and holding a few anti-corruption conferences.
. Only when the whole society improves will officials be promoted accordingly. So I think we must start from education in this regard, truly increase investment, and fundamentally improve the overall quality of the people."
Xu Yichuan suddenly sighed and said: "I know what you mean. Our country's investment in education is indeed too little. For a long time, the proportion of fiscal education funds in GDP has not reached 4%. Let's save more.
, it has just reached 4%. In fact, I have never considered paying attention to this area, but you have to know that the localities follow the central government closely, and this is a whole, do you understand?"
Chen Yu said in a respectful tone: "Secretary Xu, I don't mean anything else. In fact, in my opinion, the education in Jiangnan Province is at the forefront of the country. This is absolutely inseparable from the strong support of leaders like you. But you are right.
Yes, this is a whole body. It is impossible for limbs to grow independently of the body. I just feel deeply. After all, the most powerful countries with the highest level of self-discipline in the world attach the most importance to education. For example, the two countries after World War II,
It was under extremely difficult circumstances that they invested most of the country's funds into education and promoted sports to strengthen students' bodies. This led to their continued glory in the following decades."
Xu Yichuan said: "Xiao Chen, although I know you are not talking about me, as the person in charge, I am certainly not to blame for this. As for the national level, the leaders of the central government must have also seen this. I believe
This situation will slowly change."
Chen Yudao: "I am confident about this. Although the road ahead is still relatively long, it should get better and better."
Xu Yichuan nodded approvingly and said: "Xiao Chen, I now feel that Zhou Tongfang's vision is really better than mine. Your insight is one thing, and many people may also see it. But what's more rare is that you can
Maintaining this kind of humility and confidence, not being arrogant or impetuous, not being overly aggressive and not being disappointed, is the most important thing for young people. I believe that if you become a leader one day, you will not let the people below you down."
