Hearing Gao Fan's question, Pan Yue's first reaction was: This kid is indeed Zheng Linong's, and he must be preparing to help him apply for funds from the ministry.
"300,000 to 500,000." Pan Yue replied.
"Does this number include the salaries of the engineers in your technical department?" Gao Fan asked.
"Of course not included." Pan Yue said, "This is what we do, so salary expenses are definitely not included."
"What if wages are included?" Gao Fan insisted.
"Including wages..." Pan Yue calculated in his mind, "We need about 30 engineers for one year, and the salary is 40,000. We also need assistance from the workshop to do experiments. It's hard to calculate how many man-hours it will take.
, let’s count it as 40,000 for the time being.”
"This is what it looks like from 400,000 to 600,000." Gao Fan made a summary for him.
The 300,000 to 500,000 that Pan Yue mentioned before is actually a rough calculation. Technology research and development does not have a set plan like production. Some expenditures cannot be calculated in detail and can only be estimated based on experience. Pan Yue is
Coming from a technical background, the estimated figures are not too outrageous.
"Actually, if the ministry can allocate 200,000 yuan, the rest will be easy to handle," Pan Yue said.
He is not so optimistic and does not think that the ministry can allocate 400,000 to 600,000 at once. If the ministry can allocate 200,000, the provincial department will be embarrassed not to come up with some matching funds. As for what Gao Fan just asked about
Wage expenses are considered investment by the factory and do not matter.
Gao Fan did not answer the question, but continued to ask: "The second question is, what does Mr. Pan think of the cost of the 5,000-ton device you designed?"
"No more than 8 million." Pan Yue answered directly without any hesitation.
“The production capacity is 1,600 yuan per ton?”
"It's almost the same. In fact, it can be lowered a bit."
"Each set sells for 12 million, can it be sold?"
"If someone buys it, it's definitely okay."
Pan Yue's answer sounds a bit strange, but Gao Fan can understand it. What Pan Yue means is that a set of 5,000-ton equipment is not expensive to sell for 12 million. Converted into a quotation of unit production capacity, that is, per unit of production capacity.
2,400 yuan per ton, while imported equipment is 10,000 yuan per ton.
The so-called "if someone buys it" has a very complicated meaning. Those who can afford 12 million must be state-owned units. When a state-owned unit invests in a set of equipment, it is not just about the price. There are many factors that need to be considered. This point
, Pan Yue understands, Gao Fan also understands.
"I offered 500,000 yuan to ask the hydration equipment to help design a set of 5,000-ton polyester equipment. In the future, the hydration equipment will use this designed and manufactured polyester equipment and pay me a technical fee of 500,000 yuan for each set. Mr. Pan
How do you feel about it?" Gao Fan asked.
"What?" Pan Yue didn't understand for a moment, and after thinking for two seconds, he looked at Gao Fan in shock and asked: "You offered 500,000, where did you get 500,000?"
"Where can I get 500,000? Mr. Pan doesn't have to worry about it. Mr. Pan only needs to tell me whether this condition is feasible." Gao Fan looked at Pan Yue happily and said.
"This is definitely not possible." Pan Yue shook his head and said, "If you pay 500,000 yuan, the design will be yours. We have to pay you every time we produce it, and it is 500,000 yuan at a time. We are at a huge disadvantage.
"
"Why don't you think about it, you can make a gross profit of 4 million yuan by producing a set of equipment. Is it very high to pay 500,000 yuan as technology royalties?" Gao Fan said.
"But if we spend 500,000 yuan ourselves, we can develop this technology. Why do we have to pay you every time?"
"Because you are reluctant to spend this 500,000."
"..."
Pan Yue was speechless for a moment.
In the past two months, Pan Yue had not been able to start the design of a small polyester device because he had not received funding. However, he had calculated countless times about the design ideas of the device, as well as inputs and outputs.
.
He said that he was able to develop the device with an investment of 300,000 to 500,000 yuan because he already had a complete technical route and could determine the final plan by just doing some experiments.
As for the production costs and possible sales prices, based on his experience, he can estimate them relatively accurately.
The plan proposed by Gao Fan seemed to Pan Yue to be a money grab for Hongguoguo. With an investment of 500,000 yuan, the technology would definitely be developed.
From then on, as long as the hydration equipment produces a set of polyester equipment, Gaofan's initial investment will have been fully recovered, and there will be a net profit thereafter.
For a 5,000-ton domestic device, calculated at 12 million per set, the unit investment is only equivalent to 1/4 of the imported device. Although no unit has yet expressed willingness to purchase, as long as there is a start, subsequent orders will definitely not
few.
Even if there are only 10 orders nationwide in the future, Gao Fan will still receive 5 million in technology royalties. This is a 10-fold return. Can you get such a high profit rate by robbing money?
Well, the main reason is that it is too difficult and risky to grab 5 million at a time. How can Gao Fan make money so easily?
However, even though Pan Yue knew that doing so would bring 10 times the profit, he could not do it himself.
"This kind of thing is not allowed by policy, right?" Pan Yue finally thought of a reason.
In fact, when he first said "Definitely not possible", this was what he was thinking subconsciously.
He had never heard of such a thing involving private individuals paying for research and development, and companies having to pay private individuals for each unit they produced.
If the amount involved was 50 yuan, maybe he could think about whether it was feasible, but Gao Fan just opened his mouth and it was 500,000 yuan, which was not bad.
In Pan Yue's mind, let alone a transaction worth 500,000 yuan between a private person and a company, even if a private person owns 500,000 yuan, it is an appalling thing, and Gao Fan dares to say so.
"I'll figure it out on policy matters," Gao Fan said. "When I said I would contribute 500,000 yuan, I didn't mean that I would personally contribute so much money. How could I personally have so much money?"
"What I'm saying is that our Canghua Technology and Trade Co., Ltd. cooperates with your hydrochemical equipment development company. We pay for it and you contribute your efforts. Both parties will benefit from the final result. Doesn't this violate the policy?"
After that, he briefly introduced the situation of Canghua Technology and Trade to Pan Yue, especially emphasizing that this company was established at Zheng Linong's request and was a test field of Zheng Linong.
"So that's it." Pan Yue felt a stone fall in his heart, but he still felt a little emotional, "Xiao Gao, you guys did a great job, your products can be sold to Japan. You mean, you can get 500,000
Do this?"
"It's not available yet, but it should be available soon." Gao Fan said, "Lao Pan, please say hello to your factory first, and wait until the payment for our first batch of export products is collected.
Sign a contract with you.
"However, I'm going to say something ugly up front. If our money is in place and you lose control here, I won't be polite."