Qin Wenxi saw Du Ning looking at him with extremely suspicious eyes, his face changed slightly, and he immediately said: "Du Jun's words are serious, your actions have aroused the public indignation of scholars from all over the world, how can the Legalists in the world do this?
Tolerate your idea of reforming the law? Qin is just here to be a spectator today."
Wei Bocheng echoed: "Brother Wenxi is right. Du Junzhang's idea of abolition of punishment runs counter to our Legalist thoughts, and also violates the iron laws and order of the human race. As a Legalist scholar, Wei must not turn a blind eye.
Seeing Du Jun going astray, I would like to ask Du Jun to step back from the cliff in time, otherwise his reputation will be ruined in one day. Isn’t it ridiculous? Isn’t it a pity? Today, Mr. Wei has been entrusted by readers to come to debate with Du Jun. I also ask Du Jun to come to debate with Du Jun.
You are generous in giving me advice."
After the words fell, many Legalist scholars who were traveling with him became very energetic.
"Well said! Mr. Wei, all of us support you!"
"Punishment cannot be abolished, otherwise how can the country be governed!"
"Only to stop punishment with punishment is the right way of Legalism and the right way to govern the country!"
Many scholars are filled with indignation and righteousness.
When Wei Bocheng saw this, he immediately showed a triumphant smile. There are so many people supporting him, which shows what the people want.
Today's debate with Du Ning is bound to result in a complete victory.
Du Ning looked at Wei Bocheng and said slowly: "May I ask Mr. Wei, have you ever seen an injustice done wrong with your own eyes?"
Wei Bocheng's proud smile froze and he did not answer immediately.
"Have you ever seen with your own eyes an unarmed citizen almost beaten to death in court?"
Wei Bocheng remained silent, but his eyes were very unhappy.
Du Ning asked again: "Have you ever seen corrupt officials lynching innocent people indiscriminately?"
Wei Bocheng looked at Du Ning and said slowly: "There is indeed a phenomenon of uneven quality among officials in various countries, but not all officials in the courts of various countries are corrupt and bend the law, and not all officials abuse lynching. To put it bluntly, this has nothing to do with law enforcement.
It has nothing to do with law and punishment."
Many Legalist scholars nodded and smiled as if they were victorious. Some looked at Du Ning with extremely contemptuous and mocking expressions.
Du Ning did not deny this view, "Mr. Wei is right, the implementation of the law is indeed related to the law enforcers. Officials with benevolence and righteousness will not abuse torture. Only individual cruel officials like to use cruel punishments to deter the people." When Wei Bocheng saw that Du Ning did not refute, he was overjoyed and continued: "Since Du Jun also agrees with Wei's view, why do you still advocate reforming the law and abolishing punishment? To subvert the order of the human race? Besides, Wei thinks
The existence of laws and torture is to maintain the public order of the human race. Our Legalist thinking originally advocates 'punishment with punishment'. Only by making everyone fear punishment can we prevent people from committing crimes. Over time, there will be no crimes.
If it happens, when that time comes, the punishment can be naturally removed."
Du Ning said calmly: "So most of the people who commit crimes are not ordinary people, but people from aristocratic families."
Many scholars suddenly became angry, and some people sneered.
"Du Jun, what do you mean by this? In front of scholars from all over the world, you must not talk nonsense, otherwise you will offend the public and it will not be a good thing for you." Wei Bocheng said solemnly.<
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"Mr. Wei, have you ever seen common people bullying people from aristocratic families?" Du Ning asked.
"Never."
Wei Bocheng answered without hesitation, "People bully people from aristocratic families? I'm afraid even if they have the intention, they don't have the courage.
"So Mr. Wei, has he ever seen a scholar from an aristocratic family being tortured in court?"
"This..."
Wei Bocheng's expression changed slightly, and he thought carefully about why Du Ning raised this question.
Qin Wenxi, who was standing next to him, saw that something was wrong with the situation. He seemed to be led into Du Ning's rhythm and said hurriedly: "Du Jun, why are you asking Mr. Wei such an irrelevant question? This seems to be deviating from the content of your debate.
Right?"
Du Ning waved his hand without saying a word, and his energy condensed into a slap, hitting Qin Wenxi hard.
"Du Jun, what are you doing?"
Qin Wenxi's expression changed drastically, and he immediately mobilized his talent and strength to resist. However, even though he was a bachelor, he could not resist Du Ning's talent and strength, which was close to that of a great scholar.
"Bang!"
Qin Wenxi flew upside down like an arrow from a string, rolled twice on the ground before stopping, and his whole face turned red.
Being slapped by Du Ning in front of a large crowd was a great shame and humiliation for Qin Wenxi!
"Du Ning, how dare you hit me, you are so brave!"
Qin Wenxi got up and pointed at Du Ning's nose and yelled. He really couldn't accept Du Ning's humiliation.
Du Ning said rudely: "I am debating with Mr. Wei, how can I allow you to interrupt? Who do you think you are? Just based on your actions just now, I can punish you for the following crimes. How can I slap you in the mouth?"
If you are not convinced, just appeal to the Holy Court and the Holy Court will make the decision for you."
"You..."
Qin Wenxi was so angry that he didn't expect that Du Ning would pretend to be Wenjun at this time and slap him openly. This was so abominable that he almost wanted to complain to the Holy Court right away.
However, Qin Wenxi is a bachelor after all, and reason soon prevails. So what if he goes to the Holy Academy to complain? Wouldn't it be more embarrassing to go there and say that Du Ning slapped him? And it is true that he interrupted the conversation between Du Ning and Wei Bocheng.
It is a violation of etiquette. Not only will the Holy Court not punish Du Ning, but it is very likely that Qin Wenxi will be reprimanded.
Qin Wenxi gritted his teeth, thinking that for the humiliation he suffered today, he would have to repay Du Ning twice as much in the future, otherwise he would not be sorry for the slap he received today.
Wei Bocheng said with a gloomy face: "Du Jun, we respect you as a human gentleman, but you can't treat a bachelor like this. Mr. Qin is wrong to interrupt hastily, but you can't slap him like this. This is not right.
To humiliate him?"
Du Ning said: "Mr. Wei, don't change the subject. Please answer Du's question just now."
"You..."
Wei Bocheng's face turned green and white. Du Ning actually avoided the important and took the easy. It was really too arrogant.
"Returning to Du Jun, Wei has never seen a scholar from an aristocratic family being tortured in court." Wei Bocheng said helplessly.
Du Ning continued: "People will not bully people from aristocratic families, because usually people from aristocratic families bully people based on their status. The reason why scholars from aristocratic families are not punished in court is also because of the legal privileges of aristocratic families. Du
Do you agree with this, Mr. Wei?"
"This...this..."
Wei Bocheng's expression was a little ugly, because he could not answer Du Ning's question directly. This was not an assumption made by Du Ning, but a common phenomenon in all human countries. It has always been the children of aristocratic families who bully the poor. How could this happen?
Have you ever seen common people bullying children of aristocratic families? Isn’t that outrageous?
It is precisely because aristocratic families have legal privileges and can obtain a large degree of reduced sentences and even meritorious service, so it is basically rare to see officials torture scholars in court.
Du Ning said: "It is precisely because punishment is basically not used on scholars from aristocratic families, so scholars from aristocratic families will have no scruples. Even if they violate the law, the court will give them great forgiveness because of their meritorious service to the ancestors of the aristocratic families. But the common people
But we are different. Once people break the law, what awaits them is not only punishment, but also the torture that your Legalists admire. From this point of view, your Legalists' execution of punishment is only for the people, not you.
Family members, that’s why you people can stand upright and openly oppose my proposition. You don’t feel that the punishment is terrible, because you know that the punishment will not be used on you. As long as you can do something for the people
For our sake, I wouldn’t be standing in this place today.”
Wei Bocheng's face changed drastically, and many scholars present became furious. Du Ning's words revealed the shortcomings of punishment, and also pointed out the biggest basis for scholars from aristocratic families to act recklessly.
Even if what Du Ning said was true, they were unwilling to accept Du Ning's criticism.
"Nonsense! You are slandering all the aristocratic families in the world! You are slandering all the scholars from aristocratic families in the world!"
"How can you put such a big label on us? We don't accept it, we don't recognize it!"
"Jun Yunqi is just spitting blood, and he scolded the children of our aristocratic family so badly. It's really abominable!"
Many people yelled unbearably, and even their eyes were about to burst, and they were so angry that they had never suffered such slander!
Wei Bocheng said with an ugly face: "Du Jun, you can't say that. In your eyes, are all the scholars from aristocratic families in the world so disgusting? When you say this, you are going to be in conflict with all the aristocratic families in the world. Everyone is the enemy!"
Du Ning said with a smile: "If I am wrong, you don't have to be so angry, but when I see many people who are extremely angry and humiliated, it shows that these people are still aware of themselves, and they have taken the position themselves, which can be regarded as Reading the books of sages is not in vain."
Many scholars were so angry that they almost vomited blood. Du Ning's logic was so sharp. He clearly scolded all the family members in the world, but blamed them all for taking the blame. It was simply too abominable.
What Du Ning wants to reveal is even more serious, that is, the legalists' idea of using punishment to stop punishment is wrong. This is also something that many Legalist scholars present cannot tolerate and accept. It will subvert their legalism. The core and philosophy of the holy way.
However, at this moment, Wei Bocheng is already in a passive situation. No matter how much Wei Bocheng wants to deny it, he cannot change the fact that common people will be severely punished for committing crimes, while scholars from aristocratic families have many ways to avoid it. Go to punishment.
But Wei Bocheng was still unwilling to give in, and gritted his teeth and said: "Du Jun's words do make some sense from a certain point of view, but Wei still disagrees. We Legalists have always admired the concept of stopping punishment with punishment. Does Du Jun dare to say that our Legalist holy way is wrong?"
Many people glared at Du Ning. They absolutely did not believe that Du Ning dared to deny the legalist view of the holy way in public. That would be an extremely treasonous act.
Qin Wenxi also had a cunning look on his face, but in his heart he wished that Du Ning would deny it in public, otherwise he would completely break up with the Legalist scholars and fight to the death.
"Then what Mr. Wei means, since the idea of terminating punishment with punishment is correct, there must be something wrong with the privilege of the aristocratic family. If it were not for the existence of the privilege of the aristocratic family, the children of the aristocratic family would not bully the people wantonly. Without the protection of the privilege, Has the use of punishment to terminate executions been successful?" Du Ning asked tentatively.
Wei Bocheng's face turned pale. Du Ning gave him a difficult choice question. If he thought that the family was wrong, then the Legalists would offend many aristocratic families, and many aristocratic families would definitely attack the Legalists. Regardless of Wei Bocheng's No matter what, I dare not bear such consequences.
But if the inability to choose is the family's fault, it means that the Legalists are wrong, and the Legalist ideals of the Holy Way are wrong. This kind of self-denial will make Wei Bocheng's literary courage waver, or even crack. Duning won the debate.
Wei Bocheng thought for a long time, and finally gritted his teeth and replied: "Legal privileges are the rewards given by the Holy Court to the sages of aristocratic families. There is nothing wrong with aristocratic families, and there is nothing wrong with Legalism."
"Okay!"
There was a burst of applause from the crowd, and some people secretly breathed a sigh of relief.
Du Ning then said to Wei Bocheng: "Excuse me, Mr. Wei, how long have you Legalists advocated the use of punishment to stop punishment?"
Wei Bocheng thought carefully for a moment and then replied: "It's probably more than six hundred years ago..."
Du Ning's eyes narrowed, "It has been more than six hundred years, so have the punishments been removed in all countries?"
Many Legalist scholars were furious again, and their faces turned red with anger.
Wei Bocheng only felt a surge in his chest, and he almost spit out a mouthful of old blood. Du Ning has spent more than six hundred years mocking Legalism and has not yet achieved the purpose of ending punishment with punishment. This is a big surprise to all Legalists.
To say it is simply a shame and a big insult!
"In my opinion, your Legalists are still in the stage of 'using punishment' and have not yet achieved 'removing punishment', which can be regarded as half of the goal. Then you Legalists will have to work hard for another six hundred years.
Perhaps after more than six hundred years, the other half of the goal can be completed."
"Presumptuous!"
"Bold!"
Many legal practitioners pointed at Du Ning and shouted loudly, their whole bodies shaking, their eyes bursting with endless anger. They really couldn't bear the humiliation of Du Ning!
This is an insult to Legalism! An insult to Legalism’s thought! An insult to Legalism’s holy way!
Du Ning's implication is that if the Legalists are given another six hundred years, the human race will not be able to get rid of torture and will still be stagnant as it is now. The so-called use of punishment to stop punishment is simply a big joke.
Wei Bocheng's eyes were bloodshot and he wanted to retort, but he was so stunned that he couldn't even say a word.
"Legalists picked up punishment, but were reluctant to put it down, because you have relied on punishment, so even if I give you another six hundred years, you still can't give it up. Since you Legalists can't give up punishment, let me stop it on behalf of God.
!"
Du Ning's words formed a strong literary force that spread to all directions.