Chapter 7: Discuss in the Hall of Fame - The Beginning
Next comes July 19th. This is a historic date. Today will go down in history. Years from now, young people will ask about today’s events with reverence...
To put it simply, when Yunxi once again interrupted Yunwen, who had basically recovered, from reading a book and enthusiastically exchanged his views on Xu Huizu and Li Jinglong with him and planned to end it, the eunuch sent by Zhu Yuanzhang came to Wenyuan Pavilion.
Ask Yunwen and Yunxi to go to Jinshen Hall.
Yunxi was surprised at that time, well, Yunwen was also surprised, and Concubine Lu was also surprised. The Jinshen Hall was where Lao Zhu usually handled memorials or received ministers. I don’t know if he just called us
There is still someone else between the two. If it were just the two of us, the meaning would be too clear. Yunxi thought. Concubine Lu and Yunwen had obviously thought of it.
But it was useless to think too much at this time. Concubine Lu hurriedly instructed the young eunuch to change Yunwen's clothes from home clothes to clothes for going out. There is no need to change the clothes that Yunwen is wearing now. When Yunwen is dressed, they set off together.
After a long walk (Note 1), the two of them arrived at Jinshen Hall together.
This is the second time Yunxi has come here since he can remember. The last time he came here was when he was a child, probably in the 15th or 16th year of Hongwu. Lao Zhu asked all his grandsons to review the army, and then dealt with the issues here.
While waiting for the children to come back, Zhu Gaochi also made Lao Zhu laugh with his cute and cute behavior.
Yunxi and Yunwen walked into the palace, and under the leadership of the young eunuch, they walked into the east pavilion where Lao Zhu often used to receive ministers. Yunxi glanced at it, and fortunately, there were also his second uncle Qin Wang Zhu Ping and third uncle Jin in the palace.
Wang Zhufan, seventh uncle King Zhu Zhu of Qi, eleventh uncle King Zhu Chun of Shu, twelfth uncle King Zhu Bai of Xiang, seventeenth uncle King Zhu Quan of Ning, and the crown prince of Yan King Zhu Gaochi were not the only ones who summoned them, otherwise Yunxi would have summoned them.
I was really afraid that Concubine Lu would take risks and kill him just to be sure.
Lao Zhu probably didn't talk about any sensitive topics, and the atmosphere in the palace was quite relaxed. Seeing them come in, Lao Zhu gently greeted them to sit down, and after Yunxi and Yunwen finished saying hello, he asked: "What did you two talk about today?"
"Obviously Lao Zhu knew that Yunxi would visit Yunwen at this time every day.
As the elder brother, Yunwen replied: "Today Yunxi and I first discussed the merits of the former King of Zhongshan (Xuda) and the former King of Qiyang (Li Wenzhong), and then we discussed the merits of the current Duke of Wei and Duke Cao."
Lao Zhu then asked: "Then who do you think is more capable of commanding troops, Xu Huizu or Li Jinglong?"
Yunxi replied: "My second brother thinks that Duke Cao has trained his troops many times in Henan and other places, and is highly praised, and is more capable than Duke Wei. However, my grandson thinks that Duke Wei has learned the true biography of Duke Wu Ning (Xuda) since he was a child, and he will be more capable when something happens."
He is calm, will do good to others, has the air of a general, and has a lot of experience. However, Cao Guogong is arbitrary, but also thinks a lot, so he may not be able to grasp the opportunity in a battle."
Of course what Yunxi said was not his own opinion! This was all summarized in his own words by reading Li Jinglong’s performance and evaluation in "Those Things About the Ming Dynasty" and "History of the Ming Dynasty". It is absolutely correct!
He hasn't said anything too unpleasant, such as 'talking loudly and competing with his subordinates for credit'. The main reason is that he is not quite used to the role of the emperor's grandson. How dare modern ordinary people offend the rich and powerful! He is afraid of saying too much.
I severely offended Li Jinglong.
After hearing what he said, Lao Zhu had no reaction. He turned around and asked others: "What do you think?" Yunxi's uncle and uncles and brothers did not have these concerns. To them, they were just two ministers, and they just said something wrong.
, so what.
Zhu Baixian, King of Xiang, said: "My son thinks what Yunxi said is reasonable. My son also went to the north to fight with Xu Huizu. No matter how big or small the battle was, Xu Huizu would investigate the situation in advance, make preparations for various situations, and mobilize troops when fighting.
The dispatch of generals is also very organized. Although he has never fought a big battle independently, his son believes that Xu Huizu can be a famous general; and Li Jinglong is good at boasting, which may not be just talk on paper."
King Zhu Shu of Qi also said: "The boy Li Jinglong with oily hair and powdery face looks like Zhao Kuo at first glance; Xu Huizu is a calm man and looks like a general." Yunxi also chuckled. It was not that Zhu Shu was lustful and greedy for money.
, the prince seems to be very stupid, it turns out that he is quite accurate in judging people.
Later, Qin King Zhu Xi and others also expressed their opinions one after another. Some thought Xu Huizu was more powerful, some thought Li Jinglong was more powerful, and some thought they were about the same. Others Yunxi didn't care, and paid attention to Zhu Quan and Zhu Gaochi.
Unexpectedly, both of them thought Li Jinglong was more powerful.
Zhu Gaochi can still understand that he has not yet gained much fame in later generations; Zhu Quan was too disappointed with him. "Ning Wang is good at planning" is just the standard of judging people. No wonder Yan Wang Jingnan easily deceived him when he was in trouble!
Zhu Yuanzhang kept listening to their discussion with a smile on his face, without saying a word to express his own thoughts. Everyone said a few words to each other, and the topic gradually went off the rails, mainly because the topic was too limited. Just as the topic deviated into the unknown
Before talking about the topic that children should not participate in, Yunxi asked: "Grandpa Huang, what were the uncles talking about before?"
Zhu Yuanzhang did not answer. Qin King Zhu Xi said: "Last year there were many barbarian rebellions in Yunnan. Starting from April this year, Handong (about a generation from Dunhuang to Jiuquan), Duyun (in Guizhou), Bijie (also in Guizhou), Jianchang
The barbarians in Wei (Bashu) and other places and the Mongolian and Yuan generals rebelled one after another. Because the army was marching and wasting a lot of money, some civil servants in the court proposed to abandon these barbarian lands and appease them so that they would not cause trouble. My father gave way.
Let’s talk about our thoughts and the discussion has just begun.”
Before Yunxi finished listening to King Qin's words, he almost blurted out one sentence: "Although the land of the Ming Empire is large, not an inch is redundant." As a new generation of socialist successor who has experienced many years of patriotism education and care about current affairs,
Although there is no one to take over, he still opposes any loss of territory.
It is very likely that the Ming Empire will be able to take over, and it will not agree to any act of giving up territory. It took a lot of strength for Yunxi to resist speaking out the organizational language.
While Yunxi was thinking about what to say, he secretly cursed the shameless civil servant who submitted the memorial, although he did not know who submitted the memorial. At this time, King Zhu Bai of Xiang said: "Just now, the Seventh Brother and the Eleventh Brother said that if the army cannot attack for a long time,
, in order to save costs, they should be allowed to declare themselves vassals, the army should be withdrawn, and detailed measures should be taken to appease them, but my brother disagrees."
"Most of the barbarian people are fearful of power and have no morals. If the army withdraws and allows them to become vassals, they will think that the Ming Dynasty is afraid of them, and they will become more arrogant, murder and sell goods, and torture the border people. It is better to destroy their arrogance once and for all.
Make it fearful and intimidating."
The thoughts of King Zhu Bai of Hunan are very consistent with the core values of characteristic socialism and great-power chauvinism. They are very in line with my taste. Yes, Yunxi thought. Afterwards, Zhu Shu retorted a few more words, and the King of Jin and others also said a few words, which are true.
It's all very simple, but some people are still hesitant, obviously because their opinions are still uncertain.
The uncles have finished speaking, and it’s time for the juniors. As the eldest among the seniors sitting next to the fire character, Zhu Yunwen was the first to speak.
Yunwen said: "What the uncles said has its merits. Most of the barbarian people on the border are fearful and unethical people. Those who have surrendered to the Ming Dynasty and rebelled again should be suppressed. Otherwise, they should be suppressed.
The border residents will surely be tortured; however, the terrain of the western border is complex and mountainous, making it difficult for large armies to march. Suppressing rebellions often takes a long time, and it is difficult to achieve full success. Therefore, in the future, we should be cautious about foreign affiliations to prevent the gains from outweighing the losses. From now on, we can just stick to the current situation.
."
Hearing Yun Wen's last words, Yun Wen suddenly thought of a modern point of view in his mind, but he couldn't organize his words at the moment. Facing Gao Chi's inquiring eyes, he motioned for him to speak first.
Gao Chi was puzzled, but it was not a big deal, so he expressed his opinion first. The content was roughly the same as Yun Wen's, but it highlighted that the country had been established by the emperor's grandfather. In addition to attacking Bei Yuan from time to time, future generations would maintain their achievements.
But after hearing what Yun Wen and Gao Chi said, other people also felt that it made sense. Many people nodded slightly, including **oss Zhu Yuanzhang.
Everyone had finished speaking, and only Yunxi had not yet spoken (in fact, it is okay not to speak, but how could Yunxi, who has ideals and pursuits, not speak). Yunxi coughed, although everyone did not speak at this time.
Staring at him. Except that King Xiang and King Qi were a bit against each other, the atmosphere was relatively relaxed, but Yunxi was still very nervous. After all, this was the first time he expressed his opinion in front of Lao Zhu, and it was also likely to be his competition for the crown prince position.
’s first public performance.
Yunxi took another deep breath, and tried his best to look at the deserted place, and then said: "My grandson agrees more with the twelfth uncle's point of view, but there are still differences; just now the second brother said that in the future, he will be responsible for the submission of foreign tribes."
It is right to be cautious, but it is wrong to stick to the current territory in the future. We, the Ming Dynasty, need to continue to expand our territory."
After listening to Yunxi's words, everyone actually didn't feel much, and he was just another hawk; Lao Zhu frowned slightly, because this view was completely contrary to his philosophy, and Lao Zhu hoped to leave a solid legacy for future generations.
, a system that is difficult to implement but is relatively simple and easy to implement. However, if future generations continue to expand externally, in all dynasties since the Han Dynasty, external expansion has mostly consumed a lot of national power but achieved little results, and the gains outweigh the losses.
Lao Zhu's point of view is reasonable. During the Qin and Han Dynasties, all the surrounding areas that were easy to conquer were conquered, forming what became the traditional Han Dynasty. The remaining areas were difficult to control. Emperor Wu of the Han Dynasty began to domesticate these areas.
The barbarians or immigrants immigrated to the border, but by the early Ming Dynasty, there was not much effect. This will be discussed in detail later, because what Yunxi is going to say next is not from this perspective.
Note 1: The Imperial Palace in the Ming Dynasty was very large. The Forbidden City in Peking was modeled after the Forbidden City in Nanjing. Anyone who has been to the Forbidden City in Peking knows how big it was. At the same time, the princes basically did not have the privileges of riding horses or sedans in the palace, so they had to walk for a long time.