Xie Hun said coldly: "Since Marshal Liu pardoned the Shen brothers back then and now speaks for him like this, then we have nothing to say. However, not saying anything does not mean that we are not convinced in our hearts. Those who massacred our family
As long as someone who is a disciple can be coerced or threatened, even officials such as the county magistrate can pardon their family members for joining the demon thieves, then the next time rebellion breaks out in other places, Marshal Liu will have to trouble him personally.
Go and pacify it."
Liu Yu said coldly: "I just led the army to destroy Nanyan, and then I came back here non-stop, wasn't it just to quell the rebellion? Xie Shangshu, when my father died for the country, I know you wanted to kill everyone who participated.
However, killing is not the way to stop the rebellion. They will also have relatives and friends, as well as fathers, brothers, sons and nephews. The demons and thieves have been in trouble for many years, but they have not been able to be completely eradicated. The reason is that the court suppresses them more and does not caress them enough.
Forced into a dead end, in the end we can only resist to the end, and the hatred becomes deeper and deeper. Is it possible that the only way to end this is to kill all the people in Wudi?"
Xie Hun gritted his teeth: "Those who join the rebellion are not common people. Real common people should at least hide in the mountains and forests. It is impossible for monsters and thieves to find them all."
Liu Yu shook his head: "There are no manors or farmland in the mountains and forests. How long can ordinary people survive if they enter the mountains and forests? Let alone ordinary people, there are many rich and powerful nobles and rich people in Wu. In the end, they have nothing to eat.
To drink, we can only starve to death at home with gold and silver. I have fought in Wudi for many years and have seen too many situations like this. Even Xie Shangshu, I remember that when your father died in the battle, it would have been very difficult. If it weren't for our army
I rescued your family after arriving, but I'm afraid you can't talk to me like this here now."
Xie Hun's face turned green and red, and he said bitterly: "Anyway, you have the power, so it's reasonable no matter what you say. But I ask Marshal Liu to pay attention to one thing. After our family is a loyal martyr, it is your duty to save us."
But these Shen brothers are rebellious traitors. It is against the law of the country for you to pardon them. Moreover, in order to reduce losses and casualties, you released Lu Xun and Xu Daofu privately and took more than ten thousand old thieves to the sea to escape, giving them a chance.
Occupying Guangzhou and failing to pacify them in the end led to today's catastrophe. Do you have to bear this responsibility?"
A trace of anger flashed across Liu Yu's face, and he quickly regained his composure, saying slowly: "Xie Shangshu made a good point. Yes, I did let Lu Xun and Xu Daofu go, but there were conditions.
Yes, first of all, they captured Sun En and killed the leader of the rebellion, which was considered a meritorious service. Secondly, at that time, Lu Xun was a rare scholar among the monsters and thieves.
Compared with Sun En, he is more or less like a human being who harms the common people. Because I was in the army with him before and had dealings with him, I didn't know enough about his nature, so I thought he was trying to recruit people to surrender."
"The third and most important reason is that although the demon thieves have been repeatedly attacked and defeated by our army, they still have the advantage of naval warships. Although we have defeated the demon thieves many times, we still cannot annihilate them all.
, many times we can only watch them boarding boats to escape, and then we don’t know when and where they will land again on the coast to cause trouble. If this drags on for a long time, the army will be forced to station in Wudi for a long time, which has been war-torn for many years.
The people's livelihood is in decline and they can no longer support the army. Shangshu Xie should know this best."
Xie Hun gritted his teeth and said bitterly: "We can contribute money and effort to build a navy and recruit fishermen from the coast. We are not afraid that we will not be able to exterminate the demon thieves."
Liu Yu shook his head: "Don't Xie Shangshu know how many of these coastal fishermen are demon thieves who took off their military uniforms and pretended to be monsters? Although General Shen's words did not sound good before, but this is the fact. Dozens of fishermen in Sanwu Land
Of the ten thousand monster thieves, how many are willing to do so, and how many are forced by the government to rebel? The monster thieves usually give five buckets of rice to these households and fishermen to help them free themselves from various oppressions by the government.
And how much of this oppression is given by the high-ranking members of our family?"
Xi Sengshi said coldly: "Is it still reasonable for them to rebel? These people fled from the north and went south. It was the children of our aristocratic family who accepted them, gave them a mouthful of food, and did something for us. Is there anything we should not do?
?If you change the country and the court, you have to pay taxes, serve in the army, and join the army. Marshal Liu likes fighting so much, are the people willing to follow you on an expedition thousands of miles away? If you want to do the Northern Expedition in the future, do it too
Does the conscription of music also mean that the officials are forcing the people to rebel?"
Liu Yu said calmly: "I will never force people to join the army to fight. Even if I defend Jiankang this time, I will recruit troops on a voluntary basis, not by force, because I have led troops for many years and know the importance of military morale. If it is like this,
Forcibly arresting people like slaves, these people have no fighting power on the battlefield. The reason why Sima Yuanxian caused such a big disaster is because he has no idea about the morale of the people and the army. He only believes that if he gets people, he will do it for them.
This is the biggest lesson of the Sun En Rebellion. Sadly, even today, many of us who hold great power and land and property still don’t understand this lesson.”
Having said this, Liu Yu looked at Shen Linzi: "I pardoned the Shen brothers not because of my personal behavior, but according to the national law. It is necessary to appease the people of Wu. The culprits will be eliminated and threats will never be asked. As for Lu Xun, I
He still needs to be given a chance. If he refuses to accept the recruitment and serve the imperial court, then let him sail away and not be allowed to land on the coast of Wudi again. He did this. He really wanted to be on an overseas island back then.
In this life, it was only because of the epidemic that he could only sail further, allowing him to take the opportunity to occupy Guangzhou."
"At that time, Guangzhou was controlled by Wu Yinzhi, the governor appointed by the Huanchu regime. Lu Xun and his gang captured Guangzhou in the name of being loyal to the Jin Dynasty. I can't blame them in the right sense. Moreover, they pretended to be very good at the beginning.
As a result of the rebellion, Wu Yinzhi and other officials of the puppet Chu regime were also returned to us. At that time, the war had just ended, and the imperial court had neither the status nor the army to conquer the demon thieves again. Even if they wanted to conquer, they had to first eliminate the rebellion and establish themselves.
The Qiao-Shu regime was the one. That’s why we gave Lu Xun and Xu Dao their official positions and let them govern Guangzhou to atone for their previous sins. I don’t think there is anything wrong with this treatment.”
Xie Hun laughed and said, "Yes, Marshal Liu's handling was all done properly, even to the extent that Lu Xunxu Daofu took the opportunity to cause trouble again. Now that the attack has reached outside the city, you are going to use another group of former monster thieves, the Shen family brothers, to recruit security."
, to deal with these old thieves?"
Xie Hun said coldly: "Since Marshal Liu pardoned the Shen brothers back then and now speaks for him like this, then we have nothing to say. However, not saying anything does not mean that we are not convinced in our hearts. Those who massacred our family
As long as someone who is a disciple can be coerced or threatened, even officials such as the county magistrate can pardon their family members for joining the demon thieves, then the next time rebellion breaks out in other places, Marshal Liu will have to trouble him personally.
Go and pacify it."
Liu Yu said coldly: "I just led the army to destroy Nanyan, and then I came back here non-stop, wasn't it just to quell the rebellion? Xie Shangshu, when my father died for the country, I know you wanted to kill everyone who participated.
However, killing is not the way to stop the rebellion. They will also have relatives and friends, as well as fathers, brothers, sons and nephews. The demons and thieves have been in trouble for many years, but they have not been able to be completely eradicated. The reason is that the court suppresses them more and does not caress them enough.
Forced into a dead end, in the end we can only resist to the end, and the hatred becomes deeper and deeper. Is it possible that the only way to end this is to kill all the people in Wudi?"
Xie Hun gritted his teeth: "Those who join the rebellion are not common people. Real common people should at least hide in the mountains and forests. It is impossible for monsters and thieves to find them all."
Liu Yu shook his head: "There are no manors or farmland in the mountains and forests. How long can ordinary people survive if they enter the mountains and forests? Let alone ordinary people, there are many rich and powerful nobles and rich people in Wu. In the end, they have nothing to eat.
To drink, we can only starve to death at home with gold and silver. I have fought in Wudi for many years and have seen too many situations like this. Even Xie Shangshu, I remember that when your father died in the battle, it would have been very difficult. If it weren't for our army
I rescued your family after arriving, but I'm afraid you can't talk to me like this here now."
Xie Hun's face turned green and red, and he said bitterly: "Anyway, you have the power, so it's reasonable no matter what you say. But I ask Marshal Liu to pay attention to one thing. After our family is a loyal martyr, it is your duty to save us."
But these Shen brothers are rebellious traitors. It is against the law of the country for you to pardon them. Moreover, in order to reduce losses and casualties, you released Lu Xun and Xu Daofu privately and took more than ten thousand old thieves to the sea to escape, giving them a chance.
Occupying Guangzhou and failing to pacify them in the end led to today's catastrophe. Do you have to bear this responsibility?"
A trace of anger flashed across Liu Yu's face, and he quickly regained his composure, saying slowly: "Xie Shangshu made a good point. Yes, I did let Lu Xun and Xu Daofu go, but there were conditions.
Yes, first of all, they captured Sun En and killed the leader of the rebellion, which was considered a meritorious service. Secondly, at that time, Lu Xun was a rare scholar among the monsters and thieves.
Compared with Sun En, he is more or less like a human being who harms the common people. Because I was in the army with him before and had dealings with him, I didn't know enough about his nature, so I thought he was trying to recruit people to surrender."
"The third and most important reason is that although the demon thieves have been repeatedly attacked and defeated by our army, they still have the advantage of naval warships. Although we have defeated the demon thieves many times, we still cannot annihilate them all.
, many times we can only watch them boarding boats to escape, and then we don’t know when and where they will land again on the coast to cause trouble. If this drags on for a long time, the army will be forced to station in Wudi for a long time, which has been war-torn for many years.
The people's livelihood is in decline and they can no longer support the army. Shangshu Xie should know this best."
Xie Hun gritted his teeth and said bitterly: "We can contribute money and effort to build a navy and recruit fishermen from the coast. We are not afraid that we will not be able to exterminate the demon thieves."
Liu Yu shook his head: "Don't Xie Shangshu know how many of these coastal fishermen are demon thieves who took off their military uniforms and pretended to be monsters? Although General Shen's words did not sound good before, but this is the fact. Dozens of fishermen in Sanwu Land
Of the ten thousand monster thieves, how many are willing to do so, and how many are forced by the government to rebel? The monster thieves usually give five buckets of rice to these households and fishermen to help them free themselves from various oppressions by the government.
And how much of this oppression is given by the high-ranking members of our family?"
Xi Sengshi said coldly: "Is it still reasonable for them to rebel? These people fled from the north and went south. It was the children of our aristocratic family who accepted them, gave them a mouthful of food, and did something for us. Is there anything we should not do?
?If you change the country and the court, you have to pay taxes, serve in the army, and join the army. Marshal Liu likes fighting so much, are the people willing to follow you on an expedition thousands of miles away? If you want to do the Northern Expedition in the future, do it too
Does the conscription of music also mean that the officials are forcing the people to rebel?"
Liu Yu said calmly: "I will never force people to join the army to fight. Even if I defend Jiankang this time, I will recruit troops on a voluntary basis, not by force, because I have led troops for many years and know the importance of military morale. If it is like this,
Forcibly arresting people like slaves, these people have no fighting power on the battlefield. The reason why Sima Yuanxian caused such a big disaster is because he has no idea about the morale of the people and the army. He only believes that if he gets people, he will do it for them.
This is the biggest lesson of the Sun En Rebellion. Sadly, even today, many of us who hold great power and land and property still don’t understand this lesson.”
Having said this, Liu Yu looked at Shen Linzi: "I pardoned the Shen brothers not because of my personal behavior, but according to the national law. It is necessary to appease the people of Wu. The culprits will be eliminated and threats will never be asked. As for Lu Xun, I
He still needs to be given a chance. If he refuses to accept the recruitment and serve the imperial court, then let him sail away and not be allowed to land on the coast of Wudi again. He did this. He really wanted to be on an overseas island back then.
In this life, it was only because of the epidemic that he could only sail further, allowing him to take the opportunity to occupy Guangzhou."
"At that time, Guangzhou was controlled by Wu Yinzhi, the governor appointed by the Huanchu regime. Lu Xun and his gang captured Guangzhou in the name of being loyal to the Jin Dynasty. I can't blame them in the right sense. Moreover, they pretended to be very good at the beginning.
As a result of the rebellion, Wu Yinzhi and other officials of the puppet Chu regime were also returned to us. At that time, the war had just ended, and the imperial court had neither the status nor the army to conquer the demon thieves again. Even if they wanted to conquer, they had to first eliminate the rebellion and establish themselves.
The Qiao-Shu regime was the one. That’s why we gave Lu Xun and Xu Dao their official positions and let them govern Guangzhou to atone for their previous sins. I don’t think there is anything wrong with this treatment.”
Xie Hun laughed and said, "Yes, Marshal Liu's handling was all done properly, even to the extent that Lu Xunxu Daofu took the opportunity to cause trouble again. Now that the attack has reached outside the city, you are going to use another group of former monster thieves, the Shen family brothers, to recruit security."
, to deal with these old thieves?"
This chapter has been completed!