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Classmate Ci Yu debates with classmate Crazy Toothless

Posted by: Ci Yu

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These two are the original posts from Crazy Toothless classmate. I will just tell you my own opinions. Let’s communicate~Don’t spray~

By the way, there was no punctuation in the previous post. Please ask the administrator to delete it. I’m really ashamed... It’s my first time to post... Bow...

First, there is some theory of institutional invincibility in the sense that crazy people are in the same shoes.

The three pillars that support a country are economy, military, and culture. You can achieve the purpose of conquering other countries through economic conquest (economic crisis), military conquest (forced attack), and cultural conquest (mutual integration). And the political system,

Merely a superstructure, it is a mirror of the three pillars, directly reflecting the overall outline of a country.

To put it bluntly, the economy, military, and culture determine a country's political system, but a country's political system cannot determine a country's economy, military, and culture.

Second, it can be seen that the concept of Crazy Toothless Same Shoes is that the benevolent are invincible and can subjugate the enemy without fighting. Of course, Crazy Toothless Same Shoes’ view is not to focus only on the system and nothing else. For example, Crazy Toothless Same Shoes

Yatong Shoes proposed that Yang Hao use the advantages of time travel to reform the system and develop science and technology to achieve the same goal.

But unfortunately, this is not realistic for Yang Hao.

The benevolent is invincible. It means that the benevolent are invincible, but it does not mean that the benevolent are invincible. Otherwise, our country would not have been invaded by other countries in the last century. Going further, what about the rule of Wen and Jing? There are still Huns in the northern country.

.Of course Mencius’ original intention was that a benevolent ruler would have no enemies, but this was too idealistic.

No matter how benevolent a person is, no matter how benevolent a system is, it is also limited. Yang Haoren's target can only be the people of the Song Dynasty. What about Xiao Chuo? Of course it is the Liao Dynasty, but once it goes beyond this scope, Daren no longer exists and can only be

When we meet on a narrow road, the brave prevails.

As for conquering others without fighting, there is a prerequisite, that is, you must have strong military power as a basis to make others feel that there is no chance of winning against you, or the chance of winning is extremely low. But the current Daliao Society thinks so

Really? He holds the Sixteenth State of Yanyun in his hands, and under his command is Brother Yelvxiu, the God of War, and there are hundreds of thousands of elite soldiers and generals. To surrender without a fight? It is a great joke in the world.

Moreover, with Xiao Chuo's courage and perseverance, she gave up a strategically important place like Yanyun during the peace talks and put her country at the tip of the Song Dynasty just because she lost power for a moment? Is this the person who would rather kill Yang?

Is Xiao Chuo willing to sacrifice her countrymen to fulfill her love for her children, even if she makes herself suffer for the rest of her life? Unless she is the Empress Dowager Cixi.

Furthermore, the essence of conquering the enemy without fighting lies not in not fighting, but in fighting without fighting. Just like what Ip Man said, the most important thing is to neutralize and fight without fighting. To put it bluntly, it is to use non-war means

, to achieve the same goal as war. You can launch an economic war or a cultural war, but is it feasible for the current Yang Hao? The Liao Dynasty is besieged on all sides, and the Song Dynasty may not be any better. A new king is about to be established, and the whole country is unstable.

Subduing others without fighting? No.

Third, maybe people here will be a little confused. Yes, since the Song Dynasty is also in chaos, why not just stop when it is good? Rush to negotiate peace to stabilize the rear? Instead, create massacres here?

Have you ever thought about Zhuge Wuhou's great reputation? Don't you think that after Guan Yunchang lost Jingzhou, the Shu Kingdom actually lost the opportunity to unify the world. In addition, due to the civil strife in the Southern Barbarians, Yizhou's powerful forces fought for power and profit, and every ten households had one soldier.

It makes people's livelihood exhausted, but why does he still go out to Qishan six times?

Although there are differences between the Song and Liao Dynasties and the Three Kingdoms, Yang Hao's approach at this time is still somewhat similar to that of Wu Hou. Starting a war at this time, especially capturing the sixteen states of Yanyun, would be more conducive to his rule.

The first is to transfer internal conflicts. If Yang Hao does not conquer the Sixteenth Prefecture of Yanyun, then he will definitely have to bear the blame from within. In ancient times, people took the concept of family and world and the orthodoxy of the king very seriously. The king, the minister, the father.

Father and son, human ethics cannot be blasphemed. Rather than saying that he did a bad job as emperor, I can make you fed and clothed, so I am a good emperor. How about Cao Cao? He put down the Yellow Turban Rebellion (although he was not the first to do so, he still deserves credit).

To defeat the chaotic party, conquer the black pills, and settle the world, everyone privately admits that "if there is no one in the country, I don't know how many people will be called emperors and how many will be called kings." Then it is not chaotic. But what is the result? There are still clothes and belts.

Even in the imperial edict, they were still called Cao thieves, and they were still called "Han thieves in name but Han thieves in reality".

What the ancients emphasized was to listen to heaven, to listen to heaven, to respond to heaven and man. As the emperor, the emperor must obey the orthodoxy and obey the will of heaven. Only then can you become the son of heaven, rule the people, and execute orders and prohibitions. Maybe some people will say, then

If this is the case, why do people still have uprisings and dynasties change?

Speaking of which, you might as well read the history books. Basically, every time the dynasties change, there is the so-called "God's will" in it. For example, Liu Bang said that when his mother gave birth to him, a little white dragon came from the sky and got into the

Only when he was in his mother's belly did he have himself. Or Zhang Jiao's "The sky is dead and Huang Tian should stand", or Han Shantong's "The one eye of the Mo Dao stone man stirred up rebellion in the Yellow River", to name a few.

Of course, we all know that these are nonsense, but they are necessary. The specific reasons for the demise of the dynasty will not be mentioned for the time being. However, the perpetrators must give the world an explanation and an explanation, so that everyone knows that they are the destiny.

Otherwise, it would be treason. If Yang Hao did not have the identity of the adopted son of the Li family, he would not be able to establish himself in Xixia so smoothly. And if he succeeded the Emperor of Song, he would still have the premise that the Zhao family's ancestral temple should remain unchanged, otherwise he would be seeking death.

If he doesn't, someone will definitely give him a "Qingjun side".

At this time, if Yang Hao does not send troops, even if he is surrendered, he will still be criticized as a traitor by some people. This is undoubtedly. In this case, he has no foundation in the court, how can he govern? How?

Governing the country? Failure to maintain it will lead to civil strife. You must know that the chaotic period of the Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms had just passed. Who didn't covet the treasures? Although the Song Dynasty may not necessarily perish, it will definitely not be much better. In addition, Yang Hao is a time traveler.

, it is even more hopeless for him to engage in some innovation and reform in the future.

So, fight!

The first is to transfer the contradiction mentioned before. Transfer the contradiction that he is a national traitor to resisting foreign enemies and reduce his pressure. However, he cannot fight for too long. He must fight quickly and win. He must win a big victory.

, to achieve a great victory that will forever be remembered in history, so that he can achieve his second goal, to establish prestige. Don’t I have no foundation? Then I must have prestige! Opening up territory is no less than the achievement of founding a country! Since the Tang Dynasty

, who can regain Yanyun in one fell swoop and achieve national prestige in one fell swoop? Only Ming Jun Er! Who is Ming Jun? Only Yang Hao! In this way, he can win the hearts of the people, issue orders and reduce the resistance to governing the country, so that the mess of the Song Dynasty can be solved more.

Yang's brand.

Of course, there is another point, that is, he showed his goodwill through the Northern Expedition. You see, didn’t Zhao Guangyi want to go to the Northern Expedition during his lifetime? And he died because of it. When I came up, without saying a word, I started the Northern Expedition. Subconsciously, you thought that I was following the imperial policy, and then

Another big victory, to avenge the late emperor, my loyal minister! I shall be the successor of the Zhao royal family!

In this way, after this battle, Yang Hao's position was secure, the country gained a strategic location, and he would have the leverage to conquer the enemy without fighting in the future. The internal conflicts were partially suppressed and partially resolved. Why not?

?Otherwise, Yang Hao would not only be unable to take advantage of the opportunity to obtain Yanyun, but he would also be unable to move forward in the Song Dynasty when defending against powerful enemies.

Fourth, everyone also understood at this time that for Yang Hao, fighting would gain more benefits than not fighting, so of course Yang Hao wanted to fight. But Crazy Toothless Tongshoe's point of view was that there was no point in killing anyone at this time.

Now, you can use peace talks to gain benefits, then withdraw your troops, and then use the advantages of time travel to reform the system and develop science and technology to achieve the same goal as war.

Well, first of all, as I said just now, with Xiao Chuo's personality, it is a fool's dream to want to gain Yan Yun during peace talks, and it will not be as big as the benefits of going to war.

Secondly, Crazy Toothless colleague also mentioned that since there is no guarantee of long-term peace and stability in the future, and since Yang Hao has traveled through time and knows that the country will be divided in the future, what is the use of calling now? This point of view is quite funny, to put it more closely.

, as Guan Guan said, you will think about your son and your grandson, but who will think about your grandson’s grandson’s grandson? Children and grandchildren will have their own blessings. Going further, the universe also has a life span.

, there are about 5 billion years left, and it is about to perish, so sooner or later human beings will not exist. In this case, what are we still alive for? Forget it if we are all dead, what is the development? Crazy Toothless Shoes This is

A typical example of giving up eating due to choking.

Once again, Crazy Toothless Tongshoe mentioned that Yang Hao should not waste more than 1,000 years of advanced knowledge and should suspend his troops and go back to carry out reforms. Yang Hao is the emperor, what can’t he do? Some netizens also supported Crazy Toothless Tongshoes’ views.

He said that since Yang Hao knew that the feudal system was bad, he should carry out reform and development.

In this regard, I can only say that the wish is beautiful, but the reality is cruel. If Yang Hao really dared to carry out reforms at that time, such as constitutional monarchy and separation of powers, then he would definitely be dead, and he would never die again.

Why? Just because there was no basis for implementing an advanced system at that time! Indeed, in our view, the feudal system is very backward, but just because it is backward, it does not mean that it will be overthrown. Crazy toothless colleagues are guilty of the same thing as the previous netizen

Making a mistake is putting the cart before the horse.

What kind of system a country wants to implement must be based on its national conditions. Just because it implements an advanced system, it can develop its national strength and be a long way ahead of others? Stop making trouble, okay?

This is the Song Dynasty, when the feudal system was at its peak. Its economic foundation was the small-scale peasant economy, its cultural foundation was the Four Books and Five Classics, and its class foundation was the landlord class.

Since the birth of human beings, matrilineal societies and patrilineal societies have appeared successively due to blood relationships. Later, as productivity gradually developed, people began to have more wealthy materials, and exchange, market, commerce, and private ownership appeared.

The economy was born. Then, driven by desire, the desire for land, wealth, status and power caused people to have wars, trophies, interests, distribution, and the military. In this process, because of life

The dual physical and spiritual needs and the social attributes of human beings gave rise to writing, language, conventions, customs, songs and dances, various norms and laws, and civilization. So,

After these three reached a certain level, classes appeared, a ruling machine emerged, and a country emerged. According to the level of development of the country, a corresponding governance system was developed.

But if Yang Hao wants to carry out any system reform now, where is his foundation? To engage in capitalism? Do you have the support of the bourgeoisie? Do you have the corresponding means of production and productivity? Do you have a free market? Do you have a free market?

Labor force? The germ of capitalism only appeared in China around the 14th century. When was the Song Dynasty? Socialism? Can your imperial power be attributed to the people? Do you have the basis for a people's democratic dictatorship? Your people have this kind of politics

Literacy? Can you make the landlord class and the peasant class equal to each other without being materially wealthy?

To put it bluntly, if the productivity has not developed to a certain extent and social progress has not reached a certain level, doing this is asking for death. Just because Yang Hao has traveled through time and has more than 1,000 years of advanced knowledge, do you expect him to do this? Pull him down, Yang Hao.

It is a human being, not a god. The development of a society cannot rely solely on a single aspect. Even if Yang Hao invents cars today, medicine tomorrow, and electronics the day after tomorrow, will it be useful? The class antagonism is there, and the cultural foundation is there.

, the quality of the people is there, how about you talk about common prosperity with the landlord class? You talk about women's rights and monogamy with the sour scholars? You talk about natural human rights with the peasant class at that time? Productivity cannot be improved by just inventing something.

It is a comprehensive process. It is like a train. It is a good thing, right? However, when it was introduced in the Qing Dynasty, it was regarded as bad for feng shui. As a result, the railways built by the Qing government were often stripped. In addition, literati often thought that science and technology

It's a cunning plan, and it doesn't offend you at all. This is not a problem that an emperor can solve if he lives for 100 years.

Since Yang Hao has joined this society, he must abide by the rules of the game of this era. Since he has sat on the throne, he is destined to represent the interests of the feudal landlord class and the powerful. Any reforms he makes must also be based on basic satisfaction.

The interests of the ruling class are the premise, and then other aspects can be considered. Thinking that you are the emperor, you can do whatever you want? Come on, do you think you are really the emperor? If you make the ruling class unhappy, it will be in vain no matter how wise you are. Don't act well at this time

Developing the feudal system instead of developing advanced gadgets can only lead to chaos in the country. In that era, the feudal system was the only option. Ancient people were not stupid, really.

Of course, Crazy Toothless Tong Shoe also mentioned that what he proposed was an enlightened monarchical centralization. But what is your essence? Let me infer that it is feudalism. In this case, the resistance and contradictions mentioned above are not at all

No less. Germany and the UK are both capitalists, but the UK is the prime minister, and Germany is the prime minister. Even if they have the same political system, their power distribution and operation modes are different. I infer that what Crazy Toothless Shoes proposed is a

Based on feudalism, it is different from the previous power operation model. In fact, this existed in the Ming Dynasty. The cabinet of bachelors in the Ming Dynasty was actually a good system. But ironically, the purpose of establishing the cabinet system was to centralize imperial power.

, the flashes of the cabinet system are more caused by coincidences and accidents.

Yes, centralizing imperial power has always been the lifelong goal of ancient emperors. The cabinet is actually the prime minister in disguise. However, because the number of cabinets is different from that of the prime minister, and coupled with the constraints of the outer court, the cabinet system has achieved a subtle power.

Balance. When Chengzu of the Ming Dynasty was in power, even if you were a trafficker and a pawn, your opinions were likely to be seen by the emperor. This can be said to be the best democracy under the feudal system. But unfortunately, its soil is still feudalism

, which doomed its future, because the essence of feudal rule is a rule of man. Assuming that if the cabinet scholar at that time was not Yang Tinghe or Zhang Juzheng, perhaps the Ming Dynasty would have been in chaos as early as the Zhengde Dynasty.

The feudal system, to put it bluntly, is a kind of meritocratic politics. Centralization of power is the characteristic. The ruler is wise and the country is prosperous. But can you guarantee that your descendants will be wise kings? What about Emperor Xuanzong of the Tang Dynasty? Didn't he cause the Anshi Rebellion? Under this premise

, no matter how much you reform, you can't escape the circle of feudalism, and you can't change the fact that people rule. Well, even if Yang Hao can create a century-old prosperity, what will happen after he dies? If he can't protect it, his son will become debauched and immoral. Who dares to say that all will be well?

Impossible? Power does not operate according to the system and can easily deviate from the track. However, feudalism does not depend on the system but on people. What can you do? Unless you develop to capitalism or socialism, but, as mentioned before, this is not possible.

possible.

Therefore, if Yang Hao suspends his troops to carry out reforms, even if he can ensure implementation while he is in office, he will definitely slowly return to tradition after his death. There will be changes, but no major changes. Moreover, according to Crazy Toothless's point of view, I think

For the entire society to undergo fundamental changes and accept a new political atmosphere in just 100 years? It is basically impossible. Besides, your reforms cannot infringe on the interests of the ruling class. How much space do you have? No matter how hard you work at home,

, it would be better to defeat Yan Yunlai.

As for the cultural invasion mentioned by Crazy Toothless Tongshoe, hey~, save it, do you have the conditions? Yes, Yang Hao made the Song Dynasty prosperous, the country peaceful and the people safe, and the culture prosperous, but the Liao Dynasty itself was not weak. After many years of management, Sinology

The spread and integration of the two countries have long laid the foundation for its rule. Moreover, Crazy Toothless Tongshoes has ignored one issue, that is, no matter how the nation and culture spread and influence, no matter how close the cultural atmosphere of the two countries is, the difference between races is still

There is an insurmountable gap, and it is impossible for Daliao to not send troops to invade the south just because of this. Why do the Slavs want to be independent? Aren’t their cultures similar? Why does Germany launch a world war? Isn’t its neighbor a capitalist? What about China and Japan?

?Isn’t the Japanese culture close to ours? Isn’t it still attacking us? The Slavs are fighting for the sake of race, Germany is for political interests, and Japan is fighting for land and resources. Each has its own needs and purposes. When they attack, it is not culture, but

It's a strategy, which is fundamentally different.

Culture is destined to be only a auxiliary means. You cannot let it become the main force to stop the war. This is too rotten.

Moreover, the most important thing is, do you have the tools of cultural invasion? Do you have a TV? Do you have a mobile phone? Do you have the Internet? Do you have the media? Do you have newspapers? Do you have satellites? Can you produce enough large-scale media?

Does the Song Dynasty supply Liao Dynasty? Do you have a developed transportation network such as cars and airplanes to distribute your cultural products? Do you have enough productivity? Do you have it? Even if you have it in Song Dynasty, does Liao Dynasty have it? If not, you

Do you want to provide it? You go to Daliao and you want to set up a factory there, right? You want to teach the locals how to make TVs and mobile phones? This is to control costs, right? Then what? You taught Daliao? What is the result? Daliao

Wouldn't Liao use it to develop its own military industry? If it does this, won't it go back to the military? Won't your technological advantage be gone?

A unique country is independent from the world. It can either assimilate others and everyone develops together, or it can be assimilated and everyone returns to the starting point. The gap will eventually be smoothed out. It is difficult for you to have a situation where the national power of the two countries is close and the exchanges are frequent.

Next, maintain a long-term lead without being caught up, and want to stand out from the crowd by traveling through time? Hahahahaha~. So forget about cultural invasion. At that time, it was cultural integration at most, not aggression at all, and you had no subjective initiative at all.

To use tools to drive, what is the method of aggression?

Finally, Crazy Toothless also mentioned the development of military technology to achieve superiority in force, and to cooperate with advanced systems to achieve Yang Hao's goal. Not to mention that the advanced system is already in the mirror, just talk about this force

Well, I think Crazy Toothless Tong Shoes should be a reference to our era, which uses the threat of nuclear weapons to achieve the purpose of fighting without fighting. Unfortunately, if Yang Hao really does this, I’m sorry, I dare say that it won’t happen for three generations.

Yang Hao's descendants will destroy the Northern Kingdom, that's for sure.

Why? The answer is very simple. When the Song Dynasty has absolute force, it can destroy Liao without losing its strength. Yang Hao may not, but as soon as Yang Hao dies, his son will probably get on the horse and fuck the guy immediately. There are three reasons.

First, the essence of power is corruption and abuse, such as armed aggression and corruption. Second, human morality is limited, and it is impossible for everyone to avoid doing things that violate morality throughout their lives. Moreover, war and morality often go hand in hand.

Third, the nature of living things is to invade, reproduce and expand. The first two points are the theoretical basis of the separation of powers, and the third point comes from biology. This is an essential attribute. There is no reason or why, and I will not explain it.

Threat of force? Stop kidding. The premise of a threat of force is that you have it and I have it. If you kill me 1,000 and lose 800, if I kill you 1,000 and lose 810, who will start a war? But now? You have even developed grenades, and

You are the only one who has it, and the other party can only throw stones, so why don't you fight? Hey, you have to be kind. Absolute force without restraint will never represent justice, and it will never be able to stop the war. If only the United States and the United States have nuclear weapons in the world

, you see if it is beaten or not~, it must be beaten, properly.

Therefore, Yan Yun and Yang Hao are determined to win, because Yang Hao wants more than just stopping the war in the future, so they must not only fight, but also win.

Ps. Well, let’s do some popular science~ Crazy Toothless Tongshou may also want to express Huang Lao’s “governing a big country is like cooking a small fish” and emphasizes boiling frogs in warm water. However, unfortunately, boiling frogs in warm water is a complete scam. The United States

The University of Science and Technology has never done this experiment at all. When the water temperature changes, the frog jumps faster than anyone else. That's right.==

As for Lao'er being Yang Hao's son, even if Yang Hao said it, who would believe it? Only Yang Hao and Xiao Chuo know about this matter. Will Xiao Chuo come out and admit it? Everyone goes back to his home and finds his own mother~. Everyone

What to do if you don't believe it? It's useless. And it's easy to resolve. If Yang Hao tells it, Xiao Chuo will send spies today to spread the news, saying that Laoer is actually the son of Brother Xiu, and tomorrow he will be the son of so-and-so. As soon as time passes

This matter will become a farce after a long time. As long as Xiao Chuo himself doesn't come forward and finds an excuse to use some thunderous tactics, this matter will be completely discussed after dinner.

Attachment: Feng Wuya’s point of view:

Saying that the Sixteenth Province of Youyun is a strategically important place that must be captured may sound impressive and heroic, but this is just the foolish opinion of a completely brave man.

Since ancient times, when dynasties were changing, an empire had never been invaded by foreign enemies while its officials were governing the country in a clear and peaceful manner, and the country was peaceful and the people were peaceful. It was only because the internal chaos in the country and the people's desperation led to political turmoil that foreign enemies could take advantage of it.

There is no unbreakable pass in the world. No matter how difficult it is to defeat the Sixteen Provinces of Youyun, why not just cede them to the Liao Kingdom with just one word? If the Song Dynasty was strong enough, they could also give the Liao Kingdom back with just one sentence. Otherwise, even if Yang Hao destroyed the Liao Kingdom,

He was nothing more than a militaristic emperor.

There have always been many heroic emperors in Chinese history, but why is it that no empire can last forever? If you only focus on the superior geographical location and ignore the significance of the political system itself, can you hold it even if you conquer the world?

?

Yang Haoshi has no foresight at all towards people who have traveled through time. He is afraid that the world will fall apart if it is passed to his son. Now fighting with the Liao Kingdom is just adding more lives in vain, what is the point? What is the point of being with a brave man?

The difference? What is the extra 1,000 years of knowledge doing?


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