Tan Daoji laughed: "This is a good use of their strengths, but how are the disciplines of these cave barbarians? Can they really avoid swarming when they win and not disperse when they lose?"
Tan Zhi shook his head: "Of course the discipline cannot be compared with that of our Beifu veterans, but at least it is much better than the unorganized and undisciplined situation before. If I can train for more than three years, I believe they will be at least better than ordinary people."
The state and county soldiers are much stronger, but it's a pity that I have only practiced for more than a year and have just taken shape. However, they are useful on the battlefield. After all, we currently have insufficient troops. Moreover, the Dongman fights bravely and attacks fiercely.
When it comes to close combat, they can fight with the light swordsmen of the demon thieves."
Liu Daogui nodded: "Yes, what we lack are soldiers. The more people, the better. However, if the discipline is insufficient, and when fighting a tough battle and seeing the tragic battle ahead, the heart will be frightened and shaken, and the position will be disordered.
On this point, Aji, you must make an accurate judgment."
Tan Zhi said seriously: "I have been in Wuling for more than a year, and I have fought against demon thieves several times. These Dongman soldiers are not recruits who have never been on the battlefield. I think they should be better than the newly recruited soldiers from the state who have never been on the battlefield.
The county militia is more reliable. Of course, it is up to you, Brother Daogui, to decide how to use my current army of four thousand people."
Liu Daogui smiled slightly: "I will also carefully observe the training of your unit during this period, especially to see if these Dongman sergeants are suitable for use. However, it is better not to change the principle of mixed combat.
Your approach is very good. It will make them feel that we do not regard them as outsiders, but as soldiers of the Jin Dynasty just like the Han soldiers. This will be conducive to the relationship between Yi and Xia, even if the battle is over and everyone returns.
Being from the countryside is also a good thing."
Tan Zhi smiled and said: "Yes, our military merit title system can also be implemented on these Dongman sergeants, so that they can also be assigned land and houses after they perform meritorious service. This can attract them to live in the mountains and allow the court to directly control them.
They organized households and unified the people."
Tan Daoji raised his eyebrows disapprovingly: "I remember that the imperial court had issued laws and regulations to grant land to the Dong barbarians who were willing to go out to establish households, but there were very few responders."
Tan Zhi shook his head: "This is because after they come out of the mountains, they have to live in separate areas in Han villages, and they have to be under the jurisdiction of the Han local powerful people. Although the starting point of these laws and policies is good, it does not work in this way.
, they will inevitably be oppressed by the powerful Han people, just like the villagers and tenants in the manor in Wudi, or even more severely oppressed than that."
Liu Daogui nodded: "It is human nature to bully the weak, especially for newcomers, not to mention these aliens. What you said makes sense. I will go to the court in the future to treat those who come out to settle down in groups after making meritorious deeds.
The barbarians can separate separate places similar to the states and counties set up by overseas Chinese for their residence, and the people who manage them do not need Han officials, but can use their clan leaders, officers who have made meritorious service in the army, etc."
Tan Daoji's expression changed slightly: "Brother Daoguan, you must be cautious in this move. Set aside the farming land of the Han people and invite the barbarians to move in. Some people will take the precedent of Cao Cao's introduction of the southern Xiongnu into Bingzhou, which eventually led to the Wuhu Rebellion.
Seriously, this won’t do you any good.”
Liu Daogui looked solemn and said sternly: "As long as it is good for the country, personal gains and losses, honor and disgrace, don't need to be considered too much. If we don't find a way to get these Dong barbarians to come out of the mountains and create households for the people, then the Yi and Xia will always be in conflict. These
The aliens living in the mountains will become enemies that we must guard against and must send troops to guard at all times. Instead of being used by the court, these civilian manpower must send troops to be on guard and create such enemies in the country out of thin air. Then our Jin Dynasty
When can we unite as one and launch the Northern Expedition to the Central Plains?"
"When Zhuge Liang conquered Nanzhong, although it took a lot of effort and the tactics he used were different from the previous Han army's conquests of Nanzhong, it was effective. The barbarians in Nanzhong were so convinced that they even sent troops to serve the Shu Han. Today we will do the same
At this point, the Wulingdong barbarians were sent out to take advantage of the opportunity to go a step further, so that they could continue to serve the Jin Dynasty after the war and become official subjects of the Jin Dynasty. How could they stop halfway just because some people said something terrible?
What about abolishing it? People went to the battlefield, shed blood and sacrificed for the Jin Dynasty, and killed thieves to serve the country. Why should they be discriminated against? Punishment cannot be given to aristocratic families, and courtesy cannot be given to barbarians. Is this the kind of world we want?"
Tan Daoji nodded repeatedly: "What Brother Dao Gui said is absolutely true. I was temporarily narrow-minded and only considered your own interests and ignored the country. I will have to reflect more in the future."
Liu Daogui said seriously: "No matter what race they are in Jingzhou under my rule, they are all my subjects of the Jin Dynasty. If you have made meritorious deeds, you must be rewarded according to regulations. The nobles cannot take away people's merits, and the barbarians have no reason not to reward them for their merits."
After the war, in order to get them out of the mountains and register households, we can first let them live in their own villages, and then they can be organized into households and then move to other places after being ordained with new meritorious services. As long as they can taste the sweetness and benefits, outside the mountains
If they can live a better life than those in the mountains, then I think the Dongman people are not willing to go back to the mountains to suffer hardships, and are willing to accept the management of the court. In a few generations, they will naturally become common people no different from the Han people."
Tan Zhi suddenly said: "But Daoji's worry just now is still reasonable. The Wuhu Rebellion was caused by these foreign barbarians who took advantage of the civil war between the eight kings and the Han army to be exhausted. Now they are obedient, but
There is no guarantee that when we are weak in the future, their descendants will still be so obedient."
Liu Daogui said calmly: "Let them come out of the mountains first. Later, they can be divided and relocated. They will no longer have the original tribal structure. More importantly, they cannot be allowed to have their managers remain the original chiefs and leaders.
, we have to let our own people take charge of it in the future. I think the Han officers who were in the same team when they went out to fight will slowly move into the village and become the village chiefs. They will be upright and slowly disperse them and change them.
It is possible to move to various places in Jingzhou."
Tan Daoji smiled and said: "Brother Daogui seems to have thought about this a long time ago, but this war gave these Dongman aliens the opportunity to participate in the war and make meritorious deeds. Well, let's not talk about this for the time being. Let's talk about this war first.
We now have four thousand more soldiers and horses. There are as many as 20,000 soldiers in Jiangling City, which is enough to defend the city. Can some adjustments be made to the previous plan? Xiao Shitou's Jiangzhou soldiers and horses are still in such a hurry.
Do you want to withdraw?"
Liu Daogui shook his head: "On the other side of Jiangzhou, we can withdraw after destroying the Yingjiu. We don't expect to gain a foothold in Jiangzhou. We only need to knock out the enemy's vanguard, weaken its spirit, and then try out the enemy's follow-up methods.
However, if necessary, Xiao Shitou does not need to return to Jiangling, but will go to Changsha and let him do the burning of his army's rations."
Tan Daoji laughed: "This is a good use of their strengths, but what is the discipline of these cave barbarians? Can they really not swarm them when they win, and not disperse when they lose?"
Tan Zhi shook his head: "Of course the discipline cannot be compared with that of our Beifu veterans, but at least it is much better than the unorganized and undisciplined situation before. If I can train for more than three years, I believe they will be at least better than ordinary people."
The state and county soldiers are much stronger, but it's a pity that I have only practiced for more than a year and have just taken shape. However, they are useful on the battlefield. After all, we currently have insufficient troops. Moreover, the Dongman fights bravely and attacks fiercely.
When it comes to close combat, they can fight with the light swordsmen of the demon thieves."
Liu Daogui nodded: "Yes, what we lack are soldiers. The more people, the better. However, if the discipline is insufficient, and when fighting a tough battle and seeing the tragic battle ahead, the heart will be frightened and shaken, and the position will be disordered.
On this point, Aji, you must make an accurate judgment."
Tan Zhi said seriously: "I have been in Wuling for more than a year, and I have fought against demon thieves several times. These Dongman soldiers are not recruits who have never been on the battlefield. I think they should be better than the newly recruited soldiers from the state who have never been on the battlefield.
The county militia is more reliable. Of course, it is up to you, Brother Daogui, to decide how to use my current army of four thousand people."
Liu Daogui smiled slightly: "I will also carefully observe the training of your unit during this period, especially to see if these Dongman sergeants are suitable for use. However, it is better not to change the principle of mixed combat.
Your approach is very good. It will make them feel that we do not regard them as outsiders, but as soldiers of the Jin Dynasty just like the Han soldiers. This will be conducive to the relationship between Yi and Xia, even if the battle is over and everyone returns.
Being from the countryside is also a good thing."
Tan Zhi said with a smile: "Yes, our military merit title system can also be implemented on these Dongman sergeants, so that they can be assigned land and houses after they perform meritorious service. This can attract them to live in the mountains and allow the court to directly control them.
They organized households and unified the people."
Tan Daoji raised his eyebrows disapprovingly: "I remember that the imperial court had issued regulations to grant land to the Dong barbarians who were willing to go out to establish households, but there were very few responders."
Tan Zhi shook his head: "This is because after they come out of the mountains, they have to live in separate areas in Han villages, and they have to be under the jurisdiction of the Han local powerful people. Although the starting point of these laws and policies is good, it is difficult to operate in this way.
, they will inevitably be oppressed by the powerful Han people, just like the villagers and tenants in the manor in Wudi, or even more severely oppressed than that."
Liu Daogui nodded: "It is human nature to bully the weak, especially for newcomers, not to mention these aliens. What you said makes sense. I will go to the court in the future to treat those who come out to settle down in groups after making meritorious deeds.
The barbarians can separate separate places similar to the states and counties set up by overseas Chinese for their residence, and the people who manage them do not need Han officials, but can use their clan leaders, officers who have made meritorious service in the army, etc."
Tan Daoji's expression changed slightly: "Brother Daoguan, you must be cautious in this move. Set aside the farming land of the Han people and invite the barbarians to move in. Some people will take the precedent of Cao Cao's introduction of the southern Xiongnu into Bingzhou, which eventually led to the Wuhu Rebellion.
Seriously, this won’t do you any good.”
Liu Daogui looked solemn and said sternly: "As long as it is good for the country, personal gains and losses, honor and disgrace, don't need to be considered too much. If we don't find a way to get these Dong barbarians to come out of the mountains and create households for the people, then the Yi and Xia will always be in conflict. These
The aliens living in the mountains will become enemies that we must guard against and must send troops to guard at all times. Instead of being used by the court, these civilian manpower must send troops to be on guard and create such enemies in the country out of thin air. Then our Jin Dynasty
When can we unite as one and launch the Northern Expedition to the Central Plains?"
"When Zhuge Liang conquered Nanzhong, although it took a lot of effort and the tactics he used were different from the previous Han army's conquests of Nanzhong, it was effective. The barbarians in Nanzhong were so convinced that they even sent troops to serve the Shu Han. Today we will do the same
At this point, the Wulingdong barbarians were sent out to take advantage of the opportunity to go a step further, so that they could continue to serve the Jin Dynasty after the war and become official subjects of the Jin Dynasty. How could they stop halfway just because some people said something terrible?
What about abolishing it? People went to the battlefield, shed blood and sacrificed for the Jin Dynasty, and killed thieves to serve the country. Why should they be discriminated against? Punishment cannot be given to aristocratic families, and courtesy cannot be given to barbarians. Is this the kind of world we want?"
Tan Daoji nodded repeatedly: "What Brother Dao Gui said is absolutely true. I was temporarily narrow-minded and only considered your own interests and ignored the country. I will have to reflect more in the future."
Liu Daogui said sternly: "The Jingzhou under my rule, no matter what race they are, are my subjects of the Jin Dynasty. If you have made meritorious service, you must be rewarded according to regulations. The nobles cannot take away people's merits, and the barbarians have no reason not to reward them for their merits."
After the war, in order to get them out of the mountains and register households, we can first let them live in their own villages, and then they can be organized into households and then move to other places after being ordained with new meritorious services. As long as they can taste the sweetness and benefits, outside the mountains
If they can live a better life than those in the mountains, then I think the Dongman people are not willing to go back to the mountains to suffer hardships, and are willing to accept the management of the court. In a few generations, they will naturally become common people no different from the Han people."
Tan Zhi suddenly said: "But Daoji's worry just now is still reasonable. The Wuhu Rebellion was also caused by these foreign barbarians who took advantage of the civil war between the eight kings and the Han army to be exhausted. Now they are obedient, but
There is no guarantee that when we are weak in the future, their descendants will still be so obedient."
Liu Daogui said calmly: "Let them come out of the mountains first. Later, they can be divided and relocated. They will no longer have the original tribal structure. More importantly, they cannot be allowed to have their managers remain the original chiefs and leaders.
, we have to let our own people take charge of it in the future. I think the Han officers who were in the same team when they went out to fight will slowly move into the village and become the village chiefs. They will be upright and slowly disperse them and change them.
It is possible to move to various places in Jingzhou."
Tan Daoji smiled and said: "Brother Dao Gui seems to have thought about this a long time ago, but this war gave these Dongman aliens the opportunity to participate in the war and make meritorious deeds. Well, let's not talk about this for the time being. Let's talk about this war first.
We now have four thousand more soldiers and horses. There are more than 20,000 soldiers in Jiangling City, which is enough to defend the city. Can some adjustments be made to the previous plan? Xiao Shitou's Jiangzhou soldiers and horses are still in such a hurry.
Do you want to withdraw?"
Liu Daogui shook his head: "On the other side of Jiangzhou, we can withdraw after destroying the Yingjiu. We don't expect to gain a foothold in Jiangzhou. We only need to knock out the enemy's vanguard, weaken its spirit, and then try out the enemy's follow-up methods.
However, if necessary, Xiao Shitou does not need to return to Jiangling, but will go to Changsha and let him do the burning of his army's rations."
This chapter has been completed!